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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (11150)	11/22/2001 3:21:16 AM
From: axial	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Bad reasoning, and a reckless misstatement: "Then, as now, it was about the oil." It was about Japanese expansionism and militarism. That was the primary issue. It was about a way to stop Japan, short of war, and it was by no means limited to oil. Oil was secondary: a means to a greater end. Without it, and other raw materials, America reasoned that Japan would be unable to continue its expansion. The Japanese correctly perceived the American intent, and reacted in a calculated gamble aimed at preserving inflows of raw materials, and maintaining its expansionist policies. It was no more about oil than it was about rice.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (11150)	11/22/2001 4:17:28 AM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

At core it was about power i should think, relative power between groups whose rulers' local power derived from the faith-based ignorance of their subjects .... oil was an important tool though, and steel .... one time i had a logging contract on a piece of land that had had a railroad and coal-loading station on it earlier in the century, an old-timer nearby remembered one of his first paying jobs as a boy was helping to rip up the steel when the mines shut down about 1938, and load it on a japanese ship ... 'then they shot it back at us' he said ... it was a big war, lot of people in it ... here's the 28th Maori - culture.co.nz 'Right here, locally, up in Warren and Watchung. ... There were a German American Bund meetings. We'd go up there, and they had guys marching in uniforms and so on. There were Nazi sympathizers there, and a lot of those guys were drafted. KP: And this was in 1942 when the Bund was still meeting? TL: Yeah, sure. It wasn't done so secretly either. KP: There was a very active German-American Bund and apparently it continued in 1942 and 1943. TL: Yes, yes ' fas-history.rutgers.edu Dubya's grandaddy did business with the Nazis too, didn't he ... but the grandson earned a slice of respect for going to the mosque that day, and so far we have no indication of lies told, and he ain't blowed up the world yet, so we've got that going for us