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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (11476)	11/24/2001 10:09:43 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawkmoon: I just substituted a few different words in your writeup. It still seems to make sense. That's going to be the real challenge here. Getting these NATIONS to realize their greatest self-interest is in sacrificing a portion of their authority and power to a centralized WORLD institution, and then ABIDING BY IT. They need to recognize a greater law than their own use of force and greed for wealth and power. Unfortunately, since power in the WORLD currently comes from the barrel of a T-55 and AK-47, it will be incredibly difficult to convince these guys to trust each other enough to put down the weapons. And even then, some elements have NO INTEREST in giving up their arms. Thus, I don't hold out much hope for a post-war WORLD, until they give up the idea that everyone has the right to pursue their own quest for honor or revenge, over the interest of the greater society as a whole. >That's going to be the real challenge here in getting these tribal warlords to realize their greatest self-interest is in sacrificing a portion of their authority and power to a centralized governmental institution, and then ABIDING BY IT. They need to recognize a greater law than their own use of force and greed for wealth and power. Unfortunately, since power in Afghanistan currently comes from the barrel of a T-55 and AK-47, it will be incredibly difficult to convince these guys to trust each other enough to put down the weapons. And even then, some elements have NO INTEREST in giving up their arms. Thus, I don't hold out much hope for a post-war Afghanistan, until they give up the idea that everyone has the right to pursue their own quest for honor or revenge, over the interest of the greater society as a whole.>

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (11476)	11/24/2001 10:14:05 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thread Redirect - Cuba Hi Hawk, [[ I felt it best to spare the kind and gentle reader of Stock Attack II from our tete a tete. Readers here who are inclined, may see the antecedent post to this one at this location: Message 16699069 ]] Ahem, You are in rare form tonight. Glad to see you in such high spirits. <g> I reckon I might suggest that your sources of information are perhaps a tad biased, having an ax to grind and an agenda to get back their rackets? No, they're the most honest bunch of people to ever walk the planet. I believe it now that you've provided such an overwhelming amount of material. Not. If word counts amounted to truth, you'd be chompin' in high cotton. But reality doesn't work that way. For you to suggest that Castro's Cuba is a major thoroughfare for narcotraffickers is risible. Our DEA and Coast Guard would have that monitored and controlled in a New York minute. Unless, of course, they're in on the action too. How about that scenario? No more preposterous or far fetched than the one you present, now is it? In actuality, most drugs coming into the U.S. appear to be contraband shipments moving overland in legitimate-appearing trucking given scant inspection at the U.S.-Mexico border due to the provisions of NAFTA, or as I like to label this "free trade" racket, USCAM. Thank you for your fanciful views. There is one thing further I might disagree with you on. You say: Castro is a real "angel"... I nonconcur. I think he's a sly devil who's played his hand about as well as he could in the face of completely emotional and greed driven hatred from the denizens of Little Havana and their puppet policy poohbahs in Washington. I think many Canadians and Latin Americans, as well as Europeans who trade with Cuba are simply laughing all the way to the bank over our hypocrisy in supporting a cabal of failed oligarchs in Maimi, while the Cuba begins to gain the infrastructure that will create a better tomorrow for the country. You and I will further disagree on why Cuba is the pits economically. You'll claim it is Castro's mismanagement. I'll claim it is the U.S. unrelenting policies of hatred for a regime that wouldn't kowtow to the corrupt few at the expense of the general population. -R.