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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (618)	11/28/2001 10:33:10 AM
From: Nukeit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

This is scary:From yahoo muslim thread. Two Scholars groups.yahoo.com MISCONCEPTION No. 2 They say that: "among the victims were some, innocent and sinless" Response to this is from several points of view: 1. Sa'ab bin Jathamah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported from that the Prophet was asked about the people in the homes of Mushrikun (Polytheist) when they are attacked at night and their women and children are affected, he said: "they are part of them". So, this Hadith shows that women, children and all those the killing of whom is forbidden, when they are separate, it is permissible to kill them when they are mixed up with the fighters and it is not possible to separate. This is because they had asked the Prophet about the case which is "attacking at night", in which case it is not possible to differentiate, and he permitted them because "things may be allowed when they occur along the way but be forbidden when separate". 2. Also, Muslim commanders have always used Catapult when fighting the Kuffar (a kind of weapon that was used in the past when trying to break into an enemy camp which is fully fortressed - it destroys whatever it meets by its weight, i.e. something like a catapult - translator), and it is obvious that a Catapult when applied in a war does not differentiate between a fighter and others, hence it may afflict some those so-called 'innocent souls', but that not withstanding this is an established practice among Muslims in their wars. Ibn Qudamah may Allah have mercy on him, said: "And it is permissible to use Catapult because the Prophet may the Salaat and Salaam be with him used Catapult on the people of Ta'if; and Amr bin al-As did the same to the people of Alexandria (Al-Mughniy, vol. 10, p503). And Ibn al-Qasim said "it is permissible to use Catapult against Kuffar even if children, women and old men and monks are killed inadvertently, because 'Nikayah' (doing what will weaken the enemy) is allowed according to the consensus of Ulama. Ibn Rushd said: "'Nikayah' is permissible according to Ijama' and on any type of polytheists" (Al-Hashiyah ala' Ar-Raudh, vol. 4, p 271) If this is what they teach in the maddrasas then no wonder the Afghanistan Northern Alliance are showing their brotherly love to the Taliban and foreign fighters. Where in the world is ALLAH (Peace and greed be upon him). Thou enemy opeth a can of whoop ass on thee. Isith though enemies god greater than you, I hope you tell thee before we are through. He giveth me rabbit feet to run like hell. I'm just an infidel born to hell. Why haveth ALLAH forsaketh me. I lieth to thy enemy to fight to the death, yet I and my brother's beith cowards till death. Is it that you really don't exist? I can't tell, I'm goin to hell.

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (618)	11/30/2001 10:20:17 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Respond to of 2926

To the thread: I wanted to break up these serious discussion with some humor (some have tried before to do this as well): It seems there was this couple from Minneapolis, Minnesota, who decided to go to Florida for a few days to thaw out during one particularly cold winter. Because both of them worked, they had some difficulty coordinating travel schedules. They finally decided that the husband would leave for Florida on a certain day and the wife would follow him the day after. The man made it down to Florida as planned and went directly to his hotel. Once in his room, he decided to open his laptop and send his wife, who was still back in Minnesota, an e-mail. However, he accidentally left off one letter in typing his wife's e-mail address and sent the e-mail off without realizing his error. In another part of the country a widow had just returned from the funeral of her husband, a Lutheran pastor of many years, who had been "called home to glory" just a few days earlier. She decided to check her e-mail because she was expecting to hear from her husband's relatives and friends. Upon reading the first message she let out a loud scream, fainted and fell to the floor. The woman's son rushed into the room and found his mother lying on the floor. He glanced up at the computer screen and saw the following: To: My Loving Wife Subject: I've arrived! Message: I've just checked in. Everything has been prepared for your arrival here tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you then! Your Devoted Husband. P.S. Sure is hot down here. I'll try to continue only on the subject matter. I was inspired to try to break it up a little bit! God Bless, IGIT