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Strategies & Market Trends : Fascist Oligarchs Attack Cute Cuddly Canadians -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: maceng2 who wrote (293)11/30/2001 6:02:36 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1293
 
PB, I read something about this but I can't find the link. If I recall correctly, either the US lumber companies or their unions had a lawsuit in the works that would have stopped NAFTA from being implemented. They were persuaded to drop it for some reason. Perhaps it was the 1996 timber agreement that recently expired, or maybe because they could address their concerns via the anti-dumping case. Marcos, can you elaborate on this aspect of the history?



To: maceng2 who wrote (293)11/30/2001 8:30:43 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 1293
 
Hi Pearly_Button; Re the meaning of the "North American Free Trade Agreement".

Actually, I thought the name was right up there with other government names. Like "Department of Defense", perhaps "free trade" should be interpreted slightly differently from what it would seem.

-- Carl



To: maceng2 who wrote (293)11/30/2001 11:09:28 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1293
 
PB,

If I might chime in here with a couple of thoughts......

Re: how come Canada is being charged USA import duties when NAFTA was supposed to dispense with all that crapola?


First of all, U.S. trade policy is hypocrisy unbounded. What the government claims to be for is simply not the case. I could suggest some very long readings on the uses of trade as a mechanism of foreign policy, should you have any interest. Most don't. <g>

In the case of softwood lumber imports, the general thing you need to consider is that the U.S. softwood lumber companies gave far more generously than the Canadians in the last election cycle. Since the U.S. is, in essence, a corrupted plutocracy, the U.S. timber companies are simply collecting on their "contributions". There is a virtuous circle thusly created. The more the contributors (elsewhere known as bribers) provide to the comfort and continuance of certain political family fortunes, the more that the largesse of the taxpayer is dispensed on the contributors. Who see to it that further "free trade" initiatives that weaken the taxpayer are put in place. You do see the logic of all this, eh?

Re: It means the return of a feudal system to the entire globe. It pretends to be the illuminated New World Order, but it will be a New Dark Age unlike anything mankind has ever known. That is...unless we stop it.

I am currently finishing up a reading of William Greider's "One World: Ready Or Not"

amazon.com

He's in agreement with the author of the Coastal Post piece. According to Greider, the future is being hijacked by about 200,000 individuals involved in banking, finance and the upper echelons of multinational corporate governance. These people meet in police states like Qatar and Brunei because they no longer can spread their lies in democracies of the West without protest at their utter venality and selfishness. Should the architects of WTO have their way, these 200,000 individuals will see wealth creation beyond the wildest dreams of Croesus. The other 5,999,800,000 of us are supposed to roll over and accept the greatest theft of the world's wealth ever attempted. That's 0.003% of the human population trying to use their position to end any pretense of fairness in human affairs.
In their view, oligopoly rocks!

Re: "North American Free Trade Agreement"

Where am I seeing things incorrectly (in simple terms if poss.)?


It's actually a misnomer. The true acronym is USCAM.

-R.



To: maceng2 who wrote (293)12/1/2001 3:40:42 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1293
 
The slave-state yaller pine barons' lobby has been on our case for twenty years now, they have built up influence in Washington to the point where they were able to specifically exempt our timber from NAFTA in the fine print, thusly violating its spirit in its letter

Snowshoe, Carl, and Raymond all make good points in response, except Raymond, the name of the agreement changed to NAFTA with the inclusion of México, i believe .... also Raymond, there are all sorts of anti-trade polemicists out there, however i believe them to be in the minority on this continent, most of us recognise this rock to be a natural trading bloc with the logical perimeter being its seacoasts .... and that certainly is in the interests of the BC forestry community, whose land is perfectly suited to forestry and to little else save selling a little popcorn to the occasional turista

As it stands now, the forestry community must admit all manner of US crap completely free of duty, while its only product, the best lumber in the world, gets whacked by 32% tariffs .... unless we export the great majority of jobs in the form of raw logs to the timber barons' inefficient US mills where they maintain their slave-holding traditions by paying their workers as little as they can get away with ..... and thusly exposing yet again their hypocrisy, for if the lumber is as they claim 'subsidised' through 'too-low stumpage', then is not the raw log the vehicle of that 'subsidy', hmmm?

Pearly, your questions are good ones and deserve better response than Saturday morning time permits ... but here's a start, some background -

In the 50s and 60s there was a perception that the world was running out of wood, along with oil and metals etc, the whole Club of Rome basic theory .... so among many other things that perceived coming shortages stimulated, were planting of timber on a lot of old worked-out plantation land in the US south - there were tax advantages to putting land into timber, and in many cases they were paid by their governments to plant [speaking of 'subsidies', eh] ... well the primary species they planted, pinus taeda, called commonly yellow or loblolly pine [pino de incienso is one variety of it], grows pretty fast, they've been logging it for some time and continually climbing a growth curve of fibre production ..... meanwhile, back at the BC ranch -

We have in BC the best land on the planet for forestry - timber grows slower, straighter, finer-grained, so we have quite naturally better wood ... we make better lumber more efficiently because hey that is all we have to do here in many areas, so a great deal has been invested in industry technology, we are second to none in that regard, others copy from us in many facets of the business ..... and - we make a lot of lumber, because we've got a whole whack of that excellent land, which produces less per acre per year, sure, but we have got a lot of acres ... Snowshoe once called us the Saudi Arabia of wood, that's accurate in some respects

So the slave-state mafiosos know that on a level playing field they'd have a hard time trying to get the big money they want for their yeller pine, when even the homebuilder next door to their plantation would prefer the canadian product, which will tend to twist in place on him less, and is milled better in most cases, packaged better, delivered more predictably, more professional all round

So they will never voluntarily permit a level playing field to occur, and having more money behind them than us, along with closer connections to DC insiders, they have always and will always do what they can to stand between us and our willing customers on this continent .... there's the roots of it, and the branches, and the leaves .... later, cheers