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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (12475)12/2/2001 10:29:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk,

The more research I do, the more I'm becoming convinced that there is a lingering underlying Nazi sub-current linked to Arafat and his Fatah personnel

Just read the Arab press. The pro-Nazi stuff isn't hidden; it's open. How about this, from Egypt's Al-Akhbar:

In his short daily column in the Egyptian government sponsored newspaper Al-Akhbar, entitled "Half a Word," columnist Ahmad Ragab discusses the Holocaust. He writes:

"Thanks to Hitler, of blessed memory, who on behalf of the Palestinians, revenged in advance, against the most vile criminals on the face of the earth. Although we do have a complaint against him for his revenge on them was not enough."[1]
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[1] Al-Akhbar (Egypt), April 18, 2001.

Or how about this:

The Egyptian Government Paper Al-Akhbar Once Again Defends Hitler
Following criticism of President Husni Mubarak during his visit to the US in early April 2001, the Egyptian government daily Al-Akhbar temporarily ceased publishing articles defending Hitler. Recently however, the paper again published an article by Mahmoud Muhammad Khadhr, a cleric from Al-Azhar University, entitled "In Defense of Hitler"[1]. Following are experts of the article:

..."But all of Hitler's crimes and infractions were forgotten by the world, except for one crime that was exaggerated and blown completely out of proportion, thanks to the insistence of world Zionism to continue to stoke the fire. The reason for this was the emotional need of the Sons of Jacob to extort Germany and to eat away at its resources. It is hard to believe that the Europeans and Americans, who are entitled to thinking, confirming or denying anything -- including the [existence of] the prophets and God himself -- cannot address the 'Jewish Question', or more precisely, the false Holocaust, whose numbers and scope they have exaggerated until it has reached the level of the merciless destruction of six million Jews, only because Hitler saw them as an inferior race unworthy of living next to the Germanic race, which must rule the world."

"Anyone who knocks on this door encounters the most horrible accusations and is tried in all of the European countries and in the US for anti-Semitism, for two reasons:"

"The first is Zionism's control over thinking in the West. This control testifies to the degree of oppression of thought by the Zionist propaganda apparatus in those nations. No one can oppose this oppression, for fear of being tried and sent to prison, or having his livelihood and his reputation threatened... "

"The second reason is, without a doubt, the great fear that the lies of Zionism will be exposed if the subject [of the Holocaust] is investigated by facts and if logical conclusions are made."

"The first dubious fact is the number of six million Jews who were burnt in the gas chambers. Did they have families, children, who demanded compensation, or did Zionism see itself as their only heir? If we assume that every person had an average of five family members, this would bring the number of Jews affected to thirty million. It is certain that many Jews escaped before the ship sunk, that many of them therefore, survived, despite the so-called extermination and burning [in the gas chambers]. This would mean that the number of Jews in Germany was sixty million, although the total number of Germans has never reached this number."

"Even if we cross off one zero from the six million and are left with a tenth of this number, it would still seem exaggerated and would have to be investigated."

"No one can ask why Hitler punished the Jews. The reason had nothing to do with that broken record known as anti-Semitism. If Hitler was an anti-Semite, why was this anti-Semitism mentioned only after the World War was declared? Hitler could have expelled - in the period in which he built Germany up and prepared it for the War in order to recover what it lost in WWI -- this undesirable [Jewish] race from Germany and planted it in South Africa or anywhere else in the world. Did Hitler attack the Jews or did their crime deserve even more?... "

"The Zionists were a fifth column in Germany, and they betrayed the country that hosted them, in order to realize their aspirations. This had to be exposed, [and indeed], Hitler discovered that the Zionists were spies for the Allied Powers. Inevitably, he was enraged and took revenge on them for this great betrayal."

"Both the Zionist movement and the Allied Powers had an interest in keeping this matter a secret, so that people would not know that the Zionists were punished for helping the Allied Powers, for betraying [Germany], and for stabbing Hitler in the back." ...
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[1] Al-Akhbar, May 27, 2001



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (12475)12/3/2001 4:53:58 AM
From: axial  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk, you raise a good point -

The anti-semitic slant of (some) modern Islamic practice is at variance with history.

The Prophet's Hadith was, "Who ever causes harm to a Christian or a Jew, he actually harms me."

By the time of the prophet's death in 632 AD, Islam was in ascendancy throughout the world. But "People of the Book" were never subject to persecution. Or at least, that is one view...

"Muslims believe that God had previously revealed Himself to the earlier prophets of the Jews and Christians, such as Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muslims therefore accept the teachings of both the Jewish Torah and the Christian Gospels. They believe that Islam is the perfection of the religion revealed first to Abraham (who is considered the first Muslim) and later to other prophets. Muslims believe that Jews and Christians have strayed from God's true faith but hold them in higher esteem than pagans and unbelievers. They call Jews and Christians the "People of the Book" and allow them to practice their own religions. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the "seal of the prophecy," by which they mean that he is the last in the series of prophets God sent to mankind. Muslims abhor the followers of later prophets. This attitude serves to explain the extreme Muslim animosity toward Bahais, followers of a nineteenth-century prophet, who in the Muslim mind is false."

pbs.org

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However, a significantly different (Hindu) view of the reality of Islam is taken here...

"There is a general misconception that Islam seeks friendly relations with the People of the Book, that is, the Jews and the Christians. In fact, Islam is as hostile to the members of these religious groups as it is to idolators such as the Hindus. However, this is another matter that the Jews and the Hindus suffered terribly at the hands of Islam, but the Christians, though initially bore its brunt, eventually succeeded in stemming its tide in their lands."

hindutva.org

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In any case, the attachment to Hitlerite thinking, and vicious anti-Semitism, has been a fact of life in the Middle East since before WWII. It has always been particularly strong in Egypt.

"Ambiguous Arab-Muslim attitudes to Hitler can be traced to his popularity in much of the Arab world both before and during the Second World War.

Political parties that imitated the Nazis were founded, such as the Syrian Social Nationalist Party and Young Egypt, replete with storm troopers, torch processions and Nazi slogans.

The most significant collaborator with Hitler was the Arab leader in Palestine, the Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin el-Husseini.

He sought German help to agitate against the Jews in the 1930s, then assisted the pro-Nazi coup in Iraq in 1941. He escaped to Berlin and met several times with Hitler, declaring a jihad against the Allied forces in numerous radio broadcasts in which he urged the killing of Jews.

His energetic pro-Nazi efforts included a Muslim SS unit in Bosnia, visits to death camps and interventions to send many thousands of Jews to the gas chambers. After the war he was a wanted war criminal who found sanctuary in Egypt, along with many other Nazi officials granted refuge in the Arab world.

Gamal Abdul Nasser was a member of Young Egypt and made no secret of his earlier Nazi sympathies when he became president of Egypt. Former Nazis served in his army and secret police, and his personal bodyguard was SS General Oskar Dirlewanger.

Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba'ath Party, recalled: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books."

Even today, Hitler's Mein Kampf ranks high on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs..."


allafrica.com

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If you happen to be an atheist, or even an agnostic, your chances of peaceful coexistence with Islam aren't terribly good, either.

And if you're an animist, or believe in Salvation Through the Redemptive Power of Hubcaps, then don't go looking to Islam for tolerance.

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It remains to be seen what values will be accentuated, and which will be dropped, in Islam's internal debate. There is no question that some of current Islamic belief and practice is at variance with modern values of universal tolerance.

Regards,

Jim