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To: maceng2 who wrote (12487)	12/2/2001 10:55:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Meanwhile, the anti-Israel blare of the British Left continues unabated. Whatever happens, Israel is wrong. Look what The Guardian thinks Israel should do in response to this week's outrageous carnage. How many people in England think like this? Israel should withdraw Peace requires an independent Palestine Leader Monday December 3, 2001 The Guardian Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda Street late on a Saturday night is popular with the young, a place full of bars, cafes and fast-food joints. It is among the softest of targets in Israel. So too was the bus in Haifa yesterday. The combined bombings took 25 Israeli lives, and left their families and friends grieving. It was the worst 24 hours suffered by Israel since the Palestinian uprising began in September last year. The scene is now set for another round of the blame game as Israel strikes back. The militant Palestinian group Hamas, which claimed responsibility for the bombings, warned two weeks ago that it would take revenge for the killing of one of its leaders by Israel, which in turn was retaliating for the assassination of its tourism minister. The immediate political response of the Israeli and US governments was to put pressure on the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, to jail members of Islamic Jihad and Hamas. It is difficult for Arafat to do so. Over the last 14 months support among Palestinians has grown rapidly for Hamas and, to a lesser extent, Islamic Jihad. Attempts by Arafat's security forces to arrest members of both organisations have ended in ignominious re treat. In the end, though, Arafat must act. There is no chance of realistic peace negotiations as long as each initiative can be so easily undermined by suicide bombers. On the wider front, it is time for Israel to prepare to quit Gaza and the West Bank, the root cause of so much of the violence, and allow the Palestinians finally to establish their own independent state. There is a powerful body of Israeli opinion that argues such a withdrawal will not lead to peace and that the Palestinians, once they have their own state, will use it as platform for continued attacks on Israelis. It fears Palestinians will not be satisfied until they have not only the West Bank and Gaza but Israel too. Israelis who believe this could turn out to be right. But such a view means endless violence. By quitting the West Bank and Gaza, there is at least a chance of peace, of two countries living side by side, more interested in economic development than violence. Pulling out of the West Bank and Gaza would end the main Palestinian cause of grievance against Israel, and lessen the chances of more carnage in places like Ben Yehuda Street and Haifa, and yet more distressed families wondering how to cope with loss. guardian.co.uk

To: maceng2 who wrote (12487)	12/3/2001 6:03:53 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

btw This country has bent over backwards meeting the demands of the IRA, some of them plain ridiculous. If it brings peace, wonderful, if not... a massive crackdown is then warranted. PB, i have been saying that the events of 9/11 may indeed lead us to WWIII. i agree with your comment above...it made me think that the same is true in many other countries. i may have been wrong in my prediction about the possibility of WWIII. WWIII is already upon us. presently the worldwide fight against terrorism has commenced and is underway and widely publicized in: the USA, UK, canada, afghanistan, pakistan, india, kashmir, somalia, iraq, germany, saudi arabia, phillipines, england, france, italy, belgium, spain, ireland, israel, turkey, australia, palestine, russia, tahkistan, turkmenistan, uzbekistan, columbia and mexico. did i miss any? near term expansion into other south american countries seems assured. the argentinian banking system may collapse this week throwing that country into total turmoil. watch paraguay for near future action. many other countries are waiting on the sidelines looking for an opening...or are they? some are probably already in this fight. north korea, syria, yemen, iran, libya, algeria, UAE. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks luck a duck it must be WWIII. unclewest

To: maceng2 who wrote (12487)	12/7/2001 2:23:48 AM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

Colin Powell outlaws Irish terror groups Colin Powell has stepped up pressure on breakaway republican and loyalist terror groups. The US Secretary of State has named them on a list of groups whose supporters are banned from the US. The groups named were the Continuity IRA, the Orange Volunteers and the Red Hand Defenders. It means their supporters will not be allowed into the US, and if they are found in the country they will be deported. The groups were named on a list that includes a series of fronts for al Qaida and Hamas and which Mr Powell produced under new anti-terrorist powers. A spokesman for the US State Department said: "By designating these groups, the secretary has strengthened the United States' ability to exclude supporters of terrorism from the country or to deport them if they are found within our borders. "The campaign against terrorism will be a long one, using all the tools of statecraft. "We are taking a methodical approach to all aspects of the campaign to eliminate terrorism as a threat to our way of life." The three groups are among splinter groups from Northern Ireland already banned from fund-raising in the US. Their American supporters face jail if they are found trying to get cash for them, while any assets they have in America could have been frozen if they are found by State Department investigators. ananova.com

To: maceng2 who wrote (12487)	12/19/2001 8:02:00 AM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

Terror suspects held under new law Police swooped on suspects in series of dawn raids A number of foreign terror suspects have been detained under new anti-terrorism legislation. The measures, which became law last week, were brought in to fight Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and other groups. Police and immigration officers raided addresses in London, Bedfordshire and the West Midlands in an operation targeting people suspected of plotting terror acts. Two people were held in Luton and up to 10 more are being held at secure units around the country. Their identities have not been revealed but it is thought London-based Muslim cleric Abu Qatada may be among those held. Controversial Under the new measures - part of the government's anti-terror legislation passed last week - foreign-born terror suspects can be detained without trial. It is one of the most controversial aspects of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act and has been attacked by civil liberties campaigners. It requires part of the Human Rights Act to be set aside and for the home secretary to deem the UK to be in a state of emergency. It is thought that all those held on Wednesday are of North African origin. They are suspected of having links to the al-Qaeda network but cannot be arrested under normal UK law because the police do not have enough evidence that they are involved in terrorist activity. 'Unjust' MI5 is believed to have drawn up a list of about a dozen names several weeks ago and submitted them to the home secretary for approval. The suspects can be held for six months, after which their cases will be reviewed by an immigration appeals tribunal. The new laws, which were passed on Friday, enable police to hold non-UK citizens without trial where deportation is not possible. Director of the campaign group Liberty, John Wadham, said the detentions were "utterly unjust" and again pledged to challenge the legislation in the courts. "Arrests under these powers stamp all over basic principles of British justice and the European Convention of Human Rights - even the government admits that," he said.