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To: Neocon who wrote (40075)	12/3/2001 12:00:06 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Very interesting. These are five very strong points in favor of mainstream Christianity. However, IMO you did not answer Chris's question: "Why would you let anybody other than Jesus define for you what it means to be a follower of his life and beliefs?" "To disavow the Apostolic Creed is practically to disavow the only Jesus we have submitted as an object of faith, ie, the one in the New Testament." I see a very clear Jesus with a message for his followers that is quite specific in the new testament. This apart from the religion or the church that is authorized largely by Apostles. From my view and many others it is a very different Jesus where believing the message becomes more important than joining the club....er uh church.

To: Neocon who wrote (40075)	12/3/2001 12:02:08 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

equally likely to be picky about what they accept or reject of the New Testament, and therefore are likely to construct their own Jesus, instead of following the actual one. Show me the actual Jesus. Show me where you find him. The Testaments, written and extensively edited decades after Jesus's death for very specific purposes by people with very significant axes to gring, can hardly be credited as accurate journalistic reportage of the actual Jesus. Since I know you read Greek as well as I do, we at least have had the chance to read the gospels in is close to the original as the best available sources allow. But most people are yet further removed from the "actual" Jesus by having to read about his life in translation, adding yet another layer of bias in between themselves and the actual Jesus.