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To: Greg or e who wrote (40395)	12/4/2001 3:36:08 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is all ultimately mercy. Christ stands in for our sins, as a scapegoat in Levitical religion stood in for Israel. He is personally innocent, and therefore it is only because He assumes the burden of our guilt that it can be even hypothetically just to sacrifice Him for our sins. However, He assumes our guilt through His Divinity, even if the guilt attaches to His humanity. In other word, God takes our guilt away: He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. He does that freely, not as a matter of justice, but of mercy. Thus, the Perfect Sacrifice suffers neither for his own guilt, nor is it just that He suffers for ours, but rather, He takes our guilt freely, in His mercy.

To: Greg or e who wrote (40395)	12/4/2001 3:56:31 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I see how Paul reconciles justice and mercy, how do you explain it?" Well, first I am not really qualified to explain Islamic jurisprudence or God's Mercy. In the case of Islamic Jurisprudence, I have not studied it enough. In the Case of God's Mercy I am not so bold. A couple of things I would like to point out though. This world is not just. God's justice is perfect. I believe in standing for justice and against the unjust not because I think I have the power to make things just but because in the fullness of time and eternity justice will be done as God's will, will be done. In the case of a judge granting mercy, the judge takes not just take the letter of the law into account but the extenuating circumstances also. The extenuating circumstances may reveal a consequence that is just according to the uniqueness of the situation and the individual involved and so is considered merciful given the typical measure. This is Earth where the judge may be only knowledgeable of the information presented in front of the court; there may be other pertinent information that could bring him/her to a more just conclusion. When an All Knowing and Most Merciful judge is on the seat, none of the circumstances will be unknown. I love Jesus and am greatful for his message. Along with that, I have faith that justice tempered by mercy will be done in eternity and that God doesn't need to use Jesus as an excuse to be merciful on the judgement of my eternal soul. If I am found unworthy because I don't consider Jesus to be God, so be it. Have Peace