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To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (704)	12/4/2001 7:12:41 PM
From: uu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Hi Bill: You state: > In societies without refrigeration or modern sanitation such codes can be viewed as practical solutions to public health. The same sort of codes can be found in the Old Testament and I see nothing wrong with those who for devotional reasons continue to observe them. Forgive me for which I maybe missing your point here, (or perhaps you are missing my point). I am not in any form or shape saying that it is not OK for people to follow/observe those sets of codes (as pointed out in Hadith and/or Quran). My point is, I find it rather a bit hypocritical when someone claims that Islam is a religion of God (i.e. a supreme being that is evil free), and is for the rights of women, and views all humans the same regardless of their beliefs, when in Hadith Mohammad (and yes he is dead so peace be upon him) is quoted as saying: Volume 3, Book 34, Number 363: Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid: Allah's Apostle was asked about the slave-girl, if she was a virgin and committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said, "If she committed illegal sexual intercourse, lash her, and if she did it a second time, then lash her again, and if she repeated the third time, then sell her even for a hair rope." Ibn Shihab said, "I don't know whether to sell her after the third or fourth offense." or Volume 5, Book 59, Number 382: Narrated Jabir: Allah's Apostle said to me, "Have you got married O Jabir?" I replied, "Yes." He asked "What, a virgin or a matron?" I replied, "Not a virgin but a matron." He said, "Why did you not marry a young girl who would have fondled with you?" or Book 31, Number 31.4.4: Malik said, "The generally agreed upon way of doing things among us is that if a man returns a slave girl in whom he has found a defect and he has already had intercourse with her, he must pay what he has reduced of her price if she was a virgin. If she was not a virgin, there is nothing against his having had intercourse with her because he had charge of her." And there are plenty more that (to me anyway) represent anything but a man sent by an evil-free God creating a religion that is claimed to be about peace and love, and the rights of women - and in fact the rights of all human beings! If you go to the following site (sponsored by The Muslim Students Association at USC composed of many reputable Islamic scholars and students) and read the translation of Hadith (and do a search for - for example – on the word "intercourse") usc.edu , you will be amazed the types of things you find in the book that is one of the basis for Islamic teachings! Or when you read about verses in Quran that talk about beating your wife if you feel she is not obeying you, then you wonder exactly what type of God is Islam promoting? To me, this God is not so much evil-free, but something that is made by men purely for their self-serving purposes (a little over 1400) years ago! Furthermore, that is still fine, as it is every man, and woman's right to believe and to follow whatever faith, religion or cult they want. The problems come to exist when those who are following such codes try to export them to outside of their own environment and society (as has been the case with Iran, and the Taliban as they find their duty to export and to enforce such codes to the entire world)! For example Khomeini's ultimate goal was/(is) to have an Islamic United States of America and he and his psychotic followers were willing to do anything - and I mean anything - to achieve that! As for your reference to the Old Testament, you do not see people blowing themselves up killing thousands of innocent people in the name of Old Testament these days, do you? Regards,