To: jttmab who wrote (8185 ) 12/5/2001 12:10:34 AM From: Angler Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284 Well, there is a school of thought that aggression and famine go together and the end result war thins out overpopulation in a natural way. If every society was able to breed without limits and carry the pregnancy rate to a healthy conclusion, we would be right back to fighting and killing one another just to protect our own space and provisions. This is not really my point of view but it seems that things worked out that way? So if military arms were not supplied, the adversaries would have to go back to using rocks, arrows and spears which would slow the process considerably. David used a sling. You can catch a little bit of that in the infatada. Looking back into history the major progress of nations has been through conquest, revolt or battle with other powers that be. It seems to me after reading the Old Testament chronicles and ancient letters left by such as the Romans, Cicero and Pliny, the one thing all organized states have in common is war. The recent upheavals in the Balkans prove that ancient tribal antipathies and hatreds still abound. President Johnson really didn't want to kill people, but I believe he felt that the Cold War had to be settled by him in the jungles of South East Asia - a matter of historical duty. Once he blew the trumpets he couldn't let go. So in 1918 the war to end all wars ended and then proceeded on to three others. Perhaps, you're right. Where have all the young boys gone even when we mind our own business? You or I may follow the "beat of a different drum." Thoreau was considered an odd ball when he was tossed in jail for refusing to pay his poll tax. His friend Emerson showed up and asked, "What are you doing in there?" and he answered, "What are YOU doing out there?" (so i remember) One thing you still have in this great country is the right to dissent. Thank goodness we're the super power. Angler