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To: LPS5 who wrote (12805)	12/5/2001 1:01:41 AM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Yet, during the 20th Century, more people were killed in the name of country, than ANY God or war- Non Sectarian Governments, murdering their own citizens (or those under their control).

To: LPS5 who wrote (12805)	12/5/2001 1:23:07 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

LOL! Have you got a link supporting that statistic? Yes. danielpipes.org You said yourself that every religion has a few wackos. That is, as I said, my point as well That was not your point -- you said that Christians had an EQUAL propensity to violence. That is not true in today's world (I'm not discussing the Crusades). Christians have some violent fringe groups, few in number and politically not well organized. Muslims, in the guise of the Islamicists, have a large number of well organized and well-funded (by Iran and Saudi Arabia) fundamentalist groups: Al Quaida, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hizbollah, to name a few. Just look at the hotspots in the world for terrorism today. Notice how many of the terrorists are Muslim groups: Algeria Somalia Yemen Israel Chechnya Afghanistan The Phillipines Kashmir Spain Sri Lanka Nepal Columbia

To: LPS5 who wrote (12805)	12/5/2001 9:23:46 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Look up the Christian Identity movement, for starters. Otherwise known as the Aryan Nations, KKK, ... etc. And the furthest thing from "christianity", both in word and deed, from that which the bible teaches, historically and spiritually. I'm well aware of Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations. When I was a teenager, we kicked them out of our local county and they were forced to "flee" to Hayden Lake, ID. The AN is a neo-nazi ideology, which attempts to warp the bible to the extent that they claim that Caucasians are actually "god's chosen people" (the Adamic race), and that Jews are actually the descendants of Cain. It's a tough argument for anyone with an inkling of historical objectivity to make, but they claim it anyway. religioustolerance.org Hawk

To: LPS5 who wrote (12805)	12/5/2001 12:53:27 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 281500

"Propensity." As for having a propensity toward violence, well, I believe that essentially all religious fundamentalists have it (that's what makes them fundamentalists, for the most part, isn't it?), but whether or not they've actually undertaken such is another story. dictionary.com fun·da·men·tal·ism (fnd-mntl-zm) n. 1.A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. 2. a.often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 9th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b.Adherence to the theology of this movement. A propensity to violence is not part of the definition. It's not what makes them fundamentalist. I would imagine that it is likely that people who have rigid inflexible beliefs (religious, political or philosophical) might be more likely to be terrorists after all what other motivation would there be, it usually is not a safe or high paying job. But there are many fundamentalist people that have no significant propensity to violence. Tim

To: LPS5 who wrote (12805)	12/6/2001 4:29:58 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<Every religion has a few whackos.> Every religion has 100% wackoes. None can prove their absurd claims of magic and supernatural trickery and all depend on some person, [always a male, which should give a hint that there's something not quite right], pulling the cloak of prophet around themselves. They all depend on gullible people believing their claims to having the one, true faith and all others are fake. Of course, they are all homosexual. Osama is too, hence his violent response to his repressed instincts and love of death instead of life. We can all believe anything we like, whether there is any good reason or not. I got that direct from God actually, so you just have to take it on faith, because I am actually the second coming and have come among you to test your faith. No wonder Christians, Jews and Moslems are at each others' throats. Mqurice PS: If Osama loves death as much as he claims, he should keep still so we can help him achieve his true love. There are a whole lot of people wanting to be martyrs and they won't damn well keep still so we can oblige them.