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To: JohnM who wrote (13160)12/7/2001 10:12:08 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
DOJ Lashes Out at Ashcroft Reports

Friday Dec. 7, 2001

WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department Friday lashed out at the media for their coverage this week of Attorney General John Ashcroft, who in turn had lashed out at his critics as "fear mongers" who "aid terrorists" during an appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee Thursday.

Ashcroft had not said that his critics were "aiding terrorists," but that "misstatements and misinformation" from his critics aid terrorists, a statement from DOJ spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said. Tucker said press coverage of Ashcroft's statements on Thursday mostly fell into the latter category.

"Ashcroft was very clear that he wanted public debate about the actions of the Justice Department," Tucker said in an e-mail to reporters. "What he does not think is helpful to the country is misstatements and the spread of misinformation about the actions of the Justice Department.

"Anyone who reported this morning that he criticized anyone who opposed him was absolutely wrong and in doing so became part of the exact problem he was describing."

Ashcroft Thursday faced a panel of Republicans and Democrats who expressed support for the administration's war on terrorism, but worried that Ashcroft might trample civil liberties in the process.

"The Department of Justice has sought to prevent terrorism with reason, careful balance and excruciating attention to detail," Ashcroft told the Judiciary Committee Thursday. "Some of our critics, I regret to say, have shown less affection for detail."

"We need honest, reasoned debate; not fear mongering," Ashcroft said. "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists -- for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."

The administration has been under scrutiny by civil libertarians on the far right and far left -- as well as a worried Congress -- who fear that the administration might go too far.

During the hearing, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., an outspoken critic of the administration's campaign to use immigration law to detain possible suspects, sought to clarify Ashcroft's statements.

"I would just like your assurance that you do not consider the hearings that we have been holding under the leadership of the chairman and the hearing today as in any way being too much on your back or in any way somehow aiding the terrorists by eroding national unity," Feingold told Ashcroft.

"I did indicate that we need reasoned discourse as opposed to fear mongering," Ashcroft responded. "This (Committee) is the place where reasoning and discourse take place."

Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.



To: JohnM who wrote (13160)12/7/2001 10:23:37 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
The Hun is at the gate
November 29, 2001
Ann Coulter

This week's winner for best comedy line about the war is New York Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer. Referring to – well, it doesn't really matter what he was referring to, but it was military tribunals – Schumer said: "To come up with the best way to do this, Congress ought to be involved."

Congress came up with the Internal Revenue code, right? And the whole United States code? That's just what we need – Congress involved in emergency national security measures!

Under the self-aggrandizing delusion that their input is necessary during wartime, various congressmen are trying to haul Attorney General Ashcroft before them to answer questions about the detentions and military tribunals for suspected terrorists.

Democrats are channeling their frustration with America's imminent military victory in Afghanistan into hysterical opposition to reasonable national security measures at home. (Incidentally, this ought to prove once and for all what a bunch of paper tigers the Russians are. What were they doing over there for 10 years? It hasn't taken us 10 weeks.)

Fortunately, Congress has no role in prosecuting this war either abroad or domestically. They are relieved of duty, free to "get back to normal," as the president has recommended – which in their case means enacting massive spending bills to fund comically useless government programs. That should make them happy.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, another Democrat, has blustered that there "has been no formal declaration of war and, in the meantime, our civilian courts remain open and available to try suspected terrorists." Consequently, he said, questions are raised "about whether the president can lawfully authorize the use of military commissions to try persons arrested here."

Though I am sublimely confident that the public will recognize Leahy for the sputtering fool that he is, I note that: We are at war. We have been at war since 8:48 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. A precise talismanic formulation by Congress is not necessary to inform us of this fact.

Wars can exist even if Congress does not declare them if, for example, thousands of civilians are slaughtered in a surprise attack on American soil. On the off chance anyone didn't know that we were at war as of 8:48 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, Bush said so in his address to a joint session of Congress the week after the attack: "On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country."

A formal declaration of war has certain consequences only under international law, not relevant to any domestic security measures taken under the president's war powers, such as military tribunals.

Even if "international law" were relevant here – which it isn't – as the masterful United Nations has demonstrated once again during the current conflict, international law is like Santa Claus. The only difference is that Santa Claus exists only in the imaginations of small children, whereas international law also exists in law school classrooms. In the corporeal world, international law is whatever the United States and Great Britain say it is.

Because we are at war, and moreover, because the president is the commander in chief, Bush had authority on Sept. 11 to give orders to shoot down the fourth plane if it had circled back toward Washington. Because we are at war, Bush had authority to bomb Afghanistan. He didn't need congressional approval for those actions any more than he needs congressional approval right now to try any suspected belligerents on U.S. soil in military tribunals.

If Congress doesn't like it, the Constitution gives it two choices: It can cut off funding, or it can impeach the president. Congress controls the purse – it doesn't wage war. Knock yourselves out, boys. (Has anyone else noticed there have been no polls taken on the issue of military tribunals for terrorists?)

In 1942, six months after Pearl Harbor, the Supreme Court upheld the use of military tribunals for eight German spies captured on U.S. soil, two of whom were U.S. citizens. In that case, Ex Parte Quirin, the court found that military tribunals were appropriate for suspected enemies who have "entered or after entry remained in our territory without uniform" intending to engage in an act of belligerency against the United States. (And the Huns were accused only of planning attacks on war materials – not on U.S. citizens.)

The Supreme Court decided Quirin in less than 24 hours. Three days later, the military tribunal found the saboteurs guilty. Five days after that, six of the eight were executed, including Herbert Hans Haupt, a U.S. citizen. Only the two who had ratted out the plot were given prison sentences instead of death.

Though Bush has ordered military tribunals only for non-citizens, the Quirin court did not exempt citizens from trial in military tribunals. "Citizenship in the United States" provides no shelter, the court held, if "unlawful belligerency is the gravamen of the offense." Citizens who associate with the enemy – "with its aid, guidance and direction" – are "enemy belligerents."

The fact that the "courts are open" – the phrase absurdly invoked by Sen. Leahy – refers to the Supreme Court's decision in Ex Parte Milligan holding that military tribunals "can never be applied to citizens ... where the courts are open and their process unobstructed."

Note first the use of the word "citizen" in that sentence. Note further the Supreme Court's subsequent holding in Quirin that citizens can be tried in military tribunals. Indeed, the Quirin court expressly distinguished Milligan's case from the Nazi saboteurs' case on the grounds that Milligan "was not an enemy belligerent."

When Ashcroft is forced to waste his time in Senate hearings this week instead of protecting the nation from more terrorist attacks, he should remind them that there's no exemption for senators either.

townhall.com



To: JohnM who wrote (13160)12/7/2001 11:35:54 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
85% of online voters agree civil liberties are not in danger with military tribunals.
vote.com

Looks like only 15% agree with you, Al Hunt, Safire and a few others.

I wonder how many people also believe in huge government conspiracies?

Probably about the same number.



To: JohnM who wrote (13160)12/8/2001 12:34:44 AM
From: dvdw©  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
John in this piece the authors final paragraph struck a chord;
As for "encouraging people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil," there's only one prominent person trying to intimidate legitimate critics into shutting up about actions they feel to be both wrong and deeply un-American at present. He is, unfortunately, the attorney general of the United States.

As a resident in proximity to John Ashcrofts home state (MO.) some might feel the same way, angry with Mr Ashcroft due to his performance after his defeat in the last election. You see Mr Ashcrofts opponents supposedly had thousands of dead people voting. Enough, according to some published editorials, to suggest that a major investigation;
1, Could have exposed voter fraud
2 Could have turned the election to the real winner John Ashcroft.

The funny thing is, within 12 hours of the election, Mr Ashcroft publicly accepted the/his defeat suggesting that he did not wish to overturn the election results, and that perhaps bygones should be bygones. This is against a back drop where MO Senator Kit Bond was squealing over radio and TV about the certainty of Ashcroft prevailing in a recount.

Ashcroft was subsequently called by Bush and accepted his appointment as Attorney General.

For many of us left here with the artificial winner of that fated election, now in power, our confidence is shaken. Shaken not just by the casual way the political parties might treat voter fraud, but how a loser could actualy benefit from it.

Perhaps the Attorney General in waiting, sensed Bush would win and was all to eager, to assume that mantle; leaving the citizens back home with a broken political apparatus.

Your guy can be mad at Ashy, but compared to the home folk, his complaints, are just politics as usual.