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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (208145)	12/8/2001 1:50:26 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

buddy, you are ignorant of the facts. There was a story on newsmax or at drudge for a while all the main line news is ignoring about a detainy giving interviews. this debunks all the lies about being detained and not allowing communications. It seems none of those detained want to release the fact they were arrested. It's their civil right to privacy. tom watson tosiwmee

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (208145)	12/8/2001 1:02:47 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"but when you've got people secretly locked up" They are not "secretly" locked up. They each have the write to announce their situation to the media or anyone they wish. They also have access to lawyers. THERE IS NOT LAW THAT THE GOV"T MUST PROVIDE LISTS OF DETAINEES. Some cry baby groups want the list, but in the interest of National Security the AG won't release it. COnstructive criticism would be to state that you think they should release the list. Destructive criticism is implying they are doing something wrong WITH NO EVIDENCE. What is wrong with the US stance on this issue. We DO NOT want osama to know who we have. Very simple, and hard to argue with. "that's not right, they aren't officially arrested yet 'cause they haven't been officially charged with anything yet" Bull crap. That is a FLAT OUT LIE, and I view LYING about something as DESTRUCTIVE criticsm. Over 100 have been chargesd with a crime and 500+ are held on immigration violations. If you are an HONEST American you should be pissed that you are being LIED TO. "Can't leave (TRUE). Can't talk (A HUMUNGOUS LIE). I hope you look at this to judge the credibility of the people I criticize. They ABSOLUTELY CAN talk. Please post EVIDENCE if you have any, but I am sure you do not. IT IS A LIE. Flat out. No grey area at all. "... What I mean is - even though I guess they are mostly 'fureners', and therefore they don't have any REAL rights like you and I as good 'Maricans' - even considering that... how long is it A-OK to hold 'em without charging 'em with something... or letting someone know their names?" You are showing your prejudice against people who think differently than you with this statement. You assume (I guess) that I am prejudice for having my feelings. I will back up my positions with facts and logic and not portray my feelings through derogatory and inflamatory comments. I will add that it SUCKS that only the left is allowed to be un-PC and that it is acceptable to bash for no other reason than you FEEL that someone is dishonest. That is UN-AMERICAN in my view. "... Say you get accused of something (by an anonymous source, of course)... only you never know of what. You are just picked up by the local policia and held for a few months while they politely question you about whatever they want. Since you are not a citizen of that country (you are just another 'furner'), you don't have any rights under their constitution. What if they won't respond to any inquiries about whether they have you or not, and no one at home knows where you are?" You can worry about that if you want, but i won't. You can also continue to assume that is what America is all about and that these are President Bush's goals. To do so is DESTRUCTIVE criticism based on your fears and mis-trust. When that starts happening it will be a legitimate beef. Until then it is just paranoid propaganda that is irresponsibly thrown out to the public. Fortunatley 90% of Americans don't see America as you seem to. "An independent Judiciary is specificly provided for" Are you saying that people picked up and held each get a judicial review of their circumstances? If so I will state that you are incorrect. Again - if they were being held un-constitutionally they would be out, and it would be very cut and dry. You are just flat out WRONG on this. Sorry. You still have showed no evidence of anyone trashing the constitutions. You have just showed your fears that it will be done. It is ok to show your fears, but call it what it is.