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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Scott Bergquist who wrote (8635)12/9/2001 10:15:14 PM
From: briskit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Are you saying there was no Jesus? "For such a person." Jesus really became something through the commitment of his followers. He was not much to many people during his life, really. He had 12 close followers who by all accounts really didn't know what to make of him either until after he died. I take it you have considered the Josephus passages and concluded there are no authentic references? Edwin M Yamauchi, PhD (Mediterranean Studies at Brandeis) talks about the section referring to Ananias, the Roman governor Festus, and James the brother of Jesus, who was called the Christ. He says he knows of no scholar who has successfully disputed the passage. He is an example of a learned person who has weighed the evidence and the debating sides. How many Jews convicted and sentenced to crucifixion are mentioned in Roman or Jewish history from that time? Raising a point to consider does not make it true. But if you find yourself convinced, then you have your position decided about it.
I am not familiar with that saying of Paul. Where do I find it?

I have not read up on Mithra. But what is your point? Are you saying that the mythology of Mithra was introduced to Jews who then interpreted the life of Jesus through it? Do you think someone took a Persian story and convinced Jews to reconsider their faith in light of Mithra, and those people did so, perhaps inventing a resurrection story, and underwent martyrdom for a borrowed and fabricated story? Maybe so. If Mithra was such a believable story I would expect to find the Mithra story competing today for adherents? Well, I have assumed a lot before hearing what your point is. Got ahead of myself anticipating. The ability to make an argument about texts does not make it true. Lawyers argue and are successful convincing juries of lies. But you get to cast your vote as you see fit.



To: Scott Bergquist who wrote (8635)12/10/2001 8:39:31 AM
From: Frederick Smart  Respond to of 28931
 
>>How about Mithra, who was born of a virgin around 600 BC, and whose birthday was celebrated December 25th?
Mithra was slain upon a cross in Persia to make atonement for humankind and take away the sins of the world.
Mithra celebrated "Last Supper" with his 12 disciples. The words of St Paul, "They drank of that spiritual rock, and that rock was Christ" are borrowed from the Mithraic scriptures, where Mithra struck the rock and water came forth. The Mithraists observed weekly sabbath days, and celebrated the Eucharist by eating wafers maked with a cross.

Do some research on the more than 20 Savior/Sun gods who were said to be born of a virgin, and sacrificed to save humankind.>>

Swedenborg does a fantastic job examining all the religions from the perspective of the unity and oneness behind the Divine Providence of God.

And in this same vein, I "see" the Mithra's of the world were all part of the same ONE Divine Providence that stems from ONE and goes back to ONE, etc. Perfect. Unconditional. ZERO/NO claims. Freedom! Love!!

Peace.

Light!

ONE - LOVE!!

GO!!