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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (152174)	12/12/2001 2:33:17 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

I would buy all Dell servers if I had this to do over again." zdnet.com Linux shop skimps on desktops, not servers By Lauren Gibbons Paul, Enterprise November 15, 2001 4:24 PM PT URL: Deven Phillips, network architect and all-around go-to guy at Viata, a Honolulu-based ASP, is pretty good at stretching a dollar. When he, IS director David Quitt, and CTO Jay Abel were constructing the firm's technical architecture, they cobbled together two Web servers from spare components and spent the minimum on two boxes from VA Linux Systems Inc. (which no longer sells hardware). That made an initial total of four machines running Apache HTTP Server, the free version of Apache Web server software that runs on Linux. Another inexpensive box served as file server, running Network File System (which was developed many years ago for Unix and was freely available on the net). Soon after the implementation began in June of 2000, the team had occasion to regret its frugality. Hardware incompatibilities were causing the file server to crash at least once a week. Then, in July, more than 80 gigabytes of data were lost in one crash. Phillips and his assistant spent 36 hours at the office trying to restore the data. "People were very angry. They were afraid to trust the system for a long time after that," says Phillips. Viata has learned the hard way not to skimp on server hardware. Currently, the company has 10 Web servers, including four VA Linux 2200 machines, two ASL Inc. Lancelot 2500 units, and two Dell PowerEdge 2450 machines. The homegrown boxes have been put out to pasture. Phillips says although cost will always be a concern, "you can't really cheap out on everything. I would buy all Dell servers if I had this to do over again."

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (152174)	12/12/2001 2:51:32 AM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Yikes... I seemed to have stirred up a hornets' nest without meaning to... Elmer, Tench- I think the sticking point here is that I have a slightly more favorable view of AMD as a supplier than you, and that's probably something we can't get past here. My points: -Despite what some seem to think, Intel is not the best supplier ever. Not that AMD is, but Intel has caused a couple of processor shortages in the last couple of years (ask Gateway!). They've also recalled a few products, we all know that. AMD isn't either, K5 and K6-III were huge debacles. -Neither a 750 MHz Duron nor a 733 MHz Coppermine is a difficult thing to produce, they're practically commodities (as opposed the the processor in the PS2, wasn't that tailored specifically for it?)... I'm not sure if supplier reliablity is such an issue here. Low cost should be much more important, IMO. If you're looking for a bias here, I'm not speaking from such a position. I'm not sure why I inflamed so many people... -Z