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To: Jamey who wrote (33353)	12/17/2001 9:38:31 PM
From: alan w	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Let me ask you this. Are all your loved ones still dead in the grave? If you believe that Christs Second Coming is in the future, than no one has went to Heaven upon the death of the flesh. They are still in the grave as are the prophets if we are still waiting for Christ to come and have dominion over the earth. I have been struggling with that very concept recently. "The dead in Christ shall rise first and then we who are alive and remain shall meet the Lord in the air". There is plenty of Old Testament scripture that talks about returning to dust until the second coming. Was the Gospel preached in North and South America before 70 ad? Also, who in your opinion, was the son of perdition? I'm not arguing with you, just discussing. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you the world and evil without? ??? alan w

To: Jamey who wrote (33353)	12/17/2001 10:03:42 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Santiago, I think where the confusion commonly comes in here is that God lives outside of time. So if you take the time continuum away, that solves your problem. One could be with the Lord after they die, even though the second coming hasn't come yet! To God, the second coming has already happened, even though to us it is in the future. We are in the time continuum, God is not! And once we die, those who choose to reside with God will be outside of time as well! And scripture proves this out, that God is outside of the time restrictions we live in.... God Bless, IGIT

To: Jamey who wrote (33353)	12/18/2001 1:39:10 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Revelation says that we shall be in the Kingdom but without the gates there shall be the evil surrounding the City. Gnashing of teeth and contempt at Christ and His flock. Isn't that true today? I wouldn't call it gnashing of teeth Santiago , more like a growing universal indifference to a very confused , mixed-up and distorted theology , that preaches ancient absurdities and espouses some very ridiculous concepts & cosmologies . In short, little fairytales that were made up by frustrated primitive desert dwelling "prophets" , who's conquered tribe raised themselves in a missmash of legends, myths, and inherited stories from living under the rule of the great early cultures of Babylon or Egypt or Hellenistic Greece and Zoroastrian Persia. Do you have any idea how many goats and sheep were sacrificed on Altars for Jehova before the Temples in one day ? I think they managed 10 or 20,000 once .<g> All those cultures and great societies didn't die away, they became inherited in the minds , and lore of the tribes that lived under their dominium . Judaism , and later Christianity are both derived from those . Wake up and know your roots ...they are far more than just burning bushes and baptism , and have only remained as confused and infused with so many myriads of influences to this day. Do you really want to teach kids in school that Adam and Eve lived happily in the Garden of Eden for a time , side by side with the Tyranasaurus Rex and the rest of the dinosaurs ? The rejection of these kind of teachings is normal and natural and right , I'm really very sorry to have to inform you. Christ, Elisha and Enoch were translated into Heaven. John was spiritually in the Kingdom until his death after Christ's spiritual return. What does "Elijha" mean Santiago? It means --->I am Ja Jesus was One with the Father , then later he was heard to say he goes to be with his Father . Well he was only a man after all , and did have his own sets of confusions and passions , as did the entire rest of his tribe at that time to say the very least . If Jesus and the Father were "ONE" , then he would have not had to say later that he goes to be with him . They were already joined together , Oui ? Ultimately it is a question of being responsibly and compassionately "Free"...and with freedom from fear, ignorance and tyranny and with the cultivation Love & Truth and the ----->discrimination that leads him to discover those two , the kingdom of heaven appears . Both to the individual and society together. It is not the word "judging" that you really want to be using Santiago , but the more powerful and evolved word of discrimination . In reading the Gospels of Christianity one easily " discriminates " that whomever wrote the Gospel of John , did have more of a clue than the others ... regards ;-) Mars PS: The "Jesus" that sits at the side of "God" up in heaven Judging souls etc , is taken directly from the Egyptian God/Man/Savior/Messiah ---> Osirus . Onwards.

To: Jamey who wrote (33353)	12/18/2001 2:31:12 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Christ, Elisha and Enoch were translated into Heaven. John was spiritually in the Kingdom until his death after Christ's spiritual return. What does "Elijha" mean Santiago? It means --->" I am Ja " Jesus was One with the Father , then later he was heard to say he goes to be with his Father . Well he was only a man after all , and did have his own sets of confusions and passions , as did the entire rest of his tribe at that time to say the very least . If Jesus and the Father were "ONE" , then he would have not had to say later that he goes to be with him . They were already joined together , Oui ? (Sorry , I had to repost that , for I am curious to your response)

To: Jamey who wrote (33353)	10/5/2002 1:53:26 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Santiago - I posted the following to you on a "Gold Monitor" chat - so it may get axed as "off topic" so here I post it again: Santiago - long time no chat. I was wondering if you could direct me to a web site that quotes a few of the antisemitic statements that were spoken by Luther and used by Hitler to stir the church against the the people who were seen to be "Jews" in Germany. I was referring to some of these things in regard to the importance of a proper understanding of Eschatology in order to understand the term "enemies of Christ" as spoken in Romans: Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. I did not get very far as the fellow highly doubted that Luther had ever said anything against the Jews and so challenged me to prove it. I subsequently forgot until this morning and then recalled 'promising' that I would find some information to confirm what I had stated as fact. I do remember talking to a husband and wife 'team' that was a tad antagonistic toward yourself and recalled that it was 'she' who had first pointed me to this information but so much time has passed and my memory so full of other things that I can not remember her or her husbands SI name. If you can help me out without going to toooo much trouble please do. May God's blessing be upon you. Brian