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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (41656)	12/26/2001 2:15:37 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Our embargo of Cuba is not enlightened. Disagree. The Vietnam War was not enlightened. Strongly disagee. The invasion of Grenada was not enlightened. Strongly disagree. Our position on the Canadian softwood lumber dispute (a huge issue up here in the Northwest) is not enlightened. I don't know enough about it to comment about it. Our support of various banana republics in Central America over the past 100 years has not been enlightened. I disagree. I love my country. And I love my wife. Me too. You forgot the apple pie. But I don't pretend that either is perfect, or without flaws. Flawed or not, they are still my first choices... As far as my wife, I keep my mouth shut. Me too. As for my country, I speak out. That's our right. Therein lies the difference between how to treat your country and your wife. I never claimed any different. But the issue was a perception you voiced that the US is "bossy". I submit that in a world of international politics, this argument is a non-starter. It is, or should be, the goal of US foreign policy to advance US interests, especially security interests to the exclusion of others... JLA

To: The Philosopher who wrote (41656)	1/3/2002 12:04:16 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

Our embargo of Cuba is not enlightened. I think it had an enlightened motivation at least at the begining but it has failed and probably doesn't serve any good purpose now. The Vietnam War was not enlightened. I disagree except in recognizing that war in general is horrible and the Vietnam war was no exception. The invasion of Grenada was not enlightened. Even though this was more recent I know less about it then the Vietnam war but I don't think Grenada was invaded for selfish reasons. Our position on the Canadian softwood lumber dispute (a huge issue up here in the Northwest) is not enlightened. I think I agree with you but its a complex issue. Our support of various banana republics in Central America over the past 100 years has not been enlightened. Sometimes it was. Tim