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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (41885)	12/27/2001 10:33:55 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I do wish Muslims everywhere would find in their hearts a moral obligation to be more outspoken and unambiguous in condemning a horrible crime perpetrated in the name of Allah." Intelligent and educated Muslims everywhere have done exaclty this. Your lantern is lighting the wrong tunnels. We each have a specific responsibility to account for our stand on justice and against oppression and tyranny. I can not speak for other Muslims but I can take a stand on this act as a Muslim and have. There is an entangled mass of politics that is wanting to be attached to this that I am not yet willing to take a stand on. There are many despots and tyrannical dictators in the world ready, willing, and able to exploit this circumstance to further the extent of their greed and corruption. Some Americans have one agenda and that is vengeance. Do we sacrifice all principles of freedom, truth, and justice to justify any course that could be taken to defeat the Al-Quaida network? Some would say yes. I would not. If some of us seem ambiguous it may be due to a bigger picture. There are groups in the world that are rebellious of tryanny and oppression. In my book that is a good thing and they are deserving of my support. These same groups may or may not also be viewed as extremists. Where as a nation do we wade into this mirk and myre? It would be irresponsible to give unrestricted authorization to the most powerful military and political force the world has ever known. What do we know about power and its ability to corrupt? Do we want to be part of a carte blanche world wide force of military power and destruction? Not me. Lets move one step at a time and use thoughtful consideration with our every move.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (41885)	12/27/2001 10:34:21 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I've made clear ad nauseum that I don't think that at all (concerning Hiroshima).. Yes, you made that perfectly clear. Which is where this started. Yogi and Solon seemed to think it was a mistake and you didn't. Solon pressed the matter by trying to shame you. And here we are. I feel that Muslims do have an obligation to apologize. I do wish Muslims everywhere would find in their hearts a moral obligation to be more outspoken and unambiguous in condemning a horrible crime perpetrated in the name of Allah. I don't think Muslims have any obligation to apologize. They didn't do it. I do think they have an obligation to disavow those who claim Allah approves these horrible acts because only Muslims can effectively make that point and it needs to be made for all our sakes. The rest of us can't be convincing in making that point, so the job falls to Muslims, particularly American Muslims. It is also in their best interests as Muslims to not allow others think ill of their religion. I don't think ordinary Muslims should feel any guilt or shame about the incident at all. But I see an moral obligation to weign in, IMO. If they fail to meet that moral obligation, some shame and guilt might accrue. Karen