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To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/7/2002 8:59:43 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
John, capital gains tax on shares in NZ is payable if somebody is a trader of shares. Which is an ill-defined definition, depending on how many trades a person makes, how long they held the shares, whether the company pays taxable dividends or in-kind payments such as the Leap Wireless spinoff. Intention at time of purchase is an important defining issue.

If a person is not a share trader, they don't have to pay capital gains tax. It's not a clear definition and a single sale can create the definition of a share trader if the purpose at the time of purchase was to sell at a higher price. Which many argue is automatically true, but is not necessarily as one can intend to always own a share and pass it on to inheritors of the deceased estate.

So, I had to be careful with QUALCOMM having been the best performing company in human history in 1999 in terms of percentage capital appreciation to the end of a year from a start of over $1 billion at the beginning of a year - to exclude little companies [I'm making this up, but I think it might be true].

If I sold it at the end of 1999 at $180, I'd have had to pay nearly 40% tax [= $70] leaving $110. Which is a LOT better than the current $50. I was very tempted. But I did NOT think that QUALCOMM would fall to such levels.

All indicators were set for Telecosmic greatness for 3G CDMA and sooner rather than later. So, I would not have been thrilled to sell at $180, then watch it slowly wind up to $500 over a period of 5 years, with me on the sidelines having waited 10 years, as billions of people switched from GSM to 3G CDMA and Globalstar filled in the gaps.

I was not at all surprised to see QUALCOMM drop to $120 but was surprised to see it drop to $50 and was VERY surprised to see it go to $38.50. Fortunately, when loading my Tonka Truck with debt to buy Globalstar at what was a great bargain price of $15, I assumed it might go to zero and QUALCOMM could go to $50 and I didn't want to be kicked out at the bottom. So my margin debt absorbed those shocks intact.

To be categorized a share trader would have been undesirable. Since I can't predict short term fluctuations, if my long term valuation of the company exceeds the current price, I figure it's better to own it, even if others are likely to bid it down again, because they misunderestimate the value, in my opinion anyway.

If they suddenly realize the value is there, as I believe, it would be silly to try to second-guess when they will discover that value. Things happen quickly in markets, both up and down. Nobody rings a bell at the top or the bottom.

So, you are right, given what happened, I would be much better to have been a share trader. Even with the weird capital gains tax rules in NZ.

<I seem to have got in trouble with some of my posting to you, > Not from me. I appreciate your posts which I find thought-provoking, of high quality and I am still pondering the QUALCOMM valuation post you wrote some months ago. I saw the G&K 'true colors' post and discussion ... I suppose you are referring to that.

So the upshot is that there is a quantum jump from taxable capital gains to non-taxable. Guessing what the market volatility will be is a good trick. I opted [incorrectly] for long term buy and hold, even though the maniacs had bid QUALCOMM up to levels which made me queasy and tempted me to take the bird in the hand.

I'll answer the rest of your great post separately.

Mqurice



To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/7/2002 9:40:46 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
<But meanwhile we had a good number of folks who had grand plans of being smarter than some other greater fool that they could then point to. Which pointing along the way was taking place in considerable volume on SI and other bulletin boards, although always directed with positive spin, as in "look how smart I am" versus the equivalent "look how dumb he is" that is necessary to zero the sum.>

Several times I've written my monkey post because this point fascinates me.

How can people think they are so smart when they see how smart everyone is on the opposite side of the trades? Worse still, knowing that there are people with multiple mathematics degrees, PhD style, operating neural net, quantum computing market-modelling high speed super-computers which make Deep Blue look dumb.

Those PhDs are doing that with the specific purpose of not only modelling human behaviour in the markets, but including in their models competing PhD, neural net, quantum computing super-computers. So it's a battle of mathematics in super-computers. It's a Goedelian ltn.lv problem of internal and external effects. None of them are outside the system so by changing themselves, they change the model and change others' models and they do it really fast like a crazy multi-dimensional multi-ball ping-pong match. The winning model cleans up!

There are external effect, such as a rocket crashing. The models probably detect that when the first sell order hits as a result of the first insider sneaking information to their cousin in Eketahuna. The model notices the little unpredicted selling lump in the model and immediately swarms all over that lump to determine the extent of the rocket crash. Maybe they aren't that good yet, but I wonder how good they are. The model would surf the lump. Load up some shares ahead of the lump if quick enough, or right behind it and see how far and fast it goes, doubling order sizes every nanosecond if the lump is growing quickly outside the expected internal-reaction model expectations.

Into this seething morass blunders J6P [me and you] with the bright idea of writing a few covered calls to arrange early retirement.

I argue that humans got the bump over our eyebrows by random variation in an eons-long quantum computing design of our DNA to cope with monkey-style life which involves an infinite array of random events. Our evolutionary history is built into our DNA.

We are not too bad at predicting future events based on things which we directly perceive and which are closely allied with our evolutionary history and earlier experiences, there being reasonable memory function and comparative function which enables us to identify a hungry tiger if we've been bitten before. Hence the proverb, once bitten, twice shy.

But there is still a very, very large element of luck, because there is always something new about which we are clueless. A butterfly can take off right now in Russia and we have no idea about it until the eye of the storm arrives in Florida and we think we are okay now. Many events are not quite as unknowable and random as that and we can flatter ourselves that we saw it coming.

Our problem is that we really have no way of knowing how much of what we do is luck and how much thanks to that great computer above our Neanderthal-looking eyebrows. I love those pictures of George W looking like a chimp [comparative photos of a chimp making the same expressions].

My monkey story in stocks is that if we get 1,000,000 monkeys and get them to select stocks which will go up, then after try number 1, there will be 500,000 who get it right. They'll figure this is pretty easy, and learn a bit about P:E ratios to improve their skill. Second try, there'll be 250,000 who get it right and they are now making real money. So they double up, buy a stock information newsletter and on the third try, 120,000 of them get it right again. 4th try, there are 60,000. 5th trade 30,000. 6th 15,000. 7th 7,500. 8th 3,000. 9th 1,500. 10th [monkeys are really arrogant by this stage and write long posts in SI] 700. 11th 350. 12th 120. 13th 60. 14th 30. 15th 15. 16th 7. 18th 3. 19th 2. 20th the top monkey has got 20 trades in a row right and they are the smartest little monkey which ever logged on and ranted at length about the benefits of CDMA and photonic phantasies to come in cyberspace.

But that monkey was totally lucky because it really didn't know what was going on but got addicted really fast to all the flashing pixels and the mountains of fruit, vegetables, wine, women and song he could buy.

But wait. I suspect that the smart alecky super-computers will upset the applecart. Monkeys don't just randomly buy and sell. They also create turbulence by irrational exuberance and irrational fear. A quantum computer could induce a little fear by selling off some stocks, to see how the model behaves. If it detects a panic reaction, it could perhaps precipitate a panic with a trigger selling, then buy heaps on the way down from the screeching monkeys. If competing models from stupid Pentium computers also panic, the Top Model will really rake in the profits.

Other than the P:E return on investment and decades long inflationary growth in the stock market due to money printing, which has been about 8% a year, it's a zero sum game, as you say. For every dollar won, there was a dollar lost.

I don't think it's wise to bet on the monkeys or the Pentiums. Monkeys might be smart and they might not. They have no idea how much of their success was due to their fine intellect and how much was due to random luck.

Okay, that's part two.

Mqurice

PS: Just for fun, on a quiet day, the top computer would create a bit of turbulence to see how everyone reacts. "Hey look at the Stanford guys' model running for cover... hahahaahh!! Losers...."

J6P says, "What the heck?!! QUALCOMM just dropped 3 bucks out of the blue. Anyone know why that was?" Jon Koplik sagely advises "More sellers than buyers". We all nod in agreement, bemused and befuddled.



To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/7/2002 10:02:24 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 74559
 
<Of course, it's also not obvious that the third coming of CDMA (e.g. 3G [<ggg>]) that delivers untold billions of high margin revenue into Qualcomm will precede the second coming of gold to any appreciable extent either. Is it?>

Well, that one's easy. 3G is definitely coming, as sure as night follows day, rivers run downhill and people get up hungry in the morning after no food for 24 hours.

When, is a bit more difficult. Expected 3G time of arrival was this year, so double it and add a year and we should be swarming with 3G by 2005.

But gold is more on the never-never plan. There is actually no reason at all that there should be a hefty price hike. It might or might not happen. Production costs seem low and reducing and there's a lot of it around, so nasty events excluded, [big, mean, nasty events], gold looks about as exciting as production figures for pig iron.

Mqurice



To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/7/2002 10:35:37 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
John, I am going to have a breather before the meat of your post. The sizzle without the steak. What sort of shoes are they by the way?

I admit to laziness and the hope that people like you [and Jay] will rescue me from carelessness and ignorance. So thanks for your fiat comments.

Okay, Q is a fiat currency. Just another stock index [albeit cyberspaced, encoded, divisible and fast]. Yes, it's only trust that the rotten management wouldn't print themselves a bunch of stock or otherwise run it into the ground. As a micro shareholder, my escape would be to sell and use another currency.

But as Uncle Al shows, a good and careful management can create huge confidence if the temptation to greedy printing and dilution of existing holders is restrained.

Since the US$ is at the whim of the USA electorate [the J6P monkey], it's very trusting of aliens to depend on their generosity, when they bloody well go on year in year out printing themselves a swag more loot at our expense. The loot is spent to benefit USA citizens and management, not we aliens.

Okay, I'll have a breather in a minute...

Yes, they are all fiat, but at least the index fund does actually own a real producing asset which people value. Uncle Green$pan's asset is the control of the printing press and the full faith and trust of the aliens of the world that he and his political buddies will continue to do the right thing.

Index funds seem a much more solid bet to me. Thousands of large companies won't go bust overnight. They are less likely to go bust than the US$ is to be beaten in currency wars. It doesn't matter how the US$ is beaten, if one holds it, it's bad news. So, it's better to be first out than last and better to be the creator of the winning currency than the holder of the failed one.

Your technicolor dream is already around - there is on-line trading galore. People are increasingly cutting out the middle men. But a widely fungible means of exchange of stable value is attractive. There are sure to be many competitors. Come to think of it, Technicolor is a QUALCOMM company [in part anyway].

With Uncle Al's currency, the USA shareholders get the profits [indirectly by having a great country]. But we aliens don't share in that [other than indirectly, by the good care and protection of QUALCOMM which they provide - hmmm, okay, maybe we do share in that after all. I also like USS Enterprise sorting out Osama and Omar and Dostum].

Anyway, I think there's a market for a Q.

Yes, QUALCOMM has diluted shareholders a lot, but that was paying people to do a lot more than run a currency. I expect that the currency company dilution would be tiny by comparison. It shouldn't cost too much to run a currency. The current S&P P:E should do it and leave a big profit for shareholders of the Q index fund. Uncle Al does have great economies of scale though, so he might be hard to beat.

We could start by moving his money through cyberspace and work from there... PayPal perhaps...

Moving and storing money is a lot of fun and very profitable if done right.

Mqurice



To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/8/2002 12:08:49 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
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To: Stock Farmer who wrote (12917)1/10/2002 2:11:18 AM
From: bambs  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
nice post John.

I was just doing some back reading. BTW...I'm short tech huge now...opened some shorts around Dec 6 and added yesterday. I am trying to be very patient...these are my shorts for the first half of the year. I don't plan on covering until we at least test the lows from Sept and I see some major Chapter 11's in the tech sector. I am also still long a pile of gold and silver stocks. I have had nearly 100% of my investment funds in gold and silver for over a year now. I've very pleased. I am now just shorted tech with margin off my gold stocks...which I will not be selling for years to come. I will just continue to trade with margin off my core positions.

anyhow, I just thought I would drop you a line to say hello ...and say hello to this board too.

I was reading the posts of tradermikes 2002 forecast. It was linked from another message board. Excellent stuff.

I agree with him on almost everything...but...

I am much much more bearish as you know. I expect a total collapse is on the horizon. I see the dow getting cut in half at minimum before this bear is over. s&p 500 to 500 and the Nasdaq sub 1000.

we have some big big layoffs to deal with this year and piles of chapter 11's.

I expect all 4 bubbles to at least start to crumble this year. (housing, credit, stock market, US dollar) as these bubbles start fall apart we will see some real selling...selling like we haven't seen in a long long time.

I think this year will be most like 1931. the 3rd year of the 1929 crash. the real crash year. 51% off the dow that year and the housing market fell appart. This year huge amounts of wealth will disappear. I expect a large portion of americans will be get stuck holding their over valued homes with mortgages larger then there value. Just like in Japan...it will kill the economy. People will stop moving around, real estate transactions will slow dramatically, REIT's will be crushed. movers, homebuilding, and the many huge related industries will be smoked.
Auto's...well...you know what will happen there.
the pc sector is done...the upgrade cycle is about finished for a long time. the business case just isn't there and the consumer side will prove to be very weak in the second half. debt levels are extreme...all over.
gold and silver could have a big year. You never know though...either way...i'm in for the long haul there...too much risk not being in if you ask me. 20 year bear market much closer to an end a screaming rally then there is real risk in the market.

anyhow...I had best get off to bed...

see ya...and happy new year.

Bambs

p.s. i'm too tired to proof read this post...i'm real tired...I hope it makes sense.