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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Solon who wrote (42329)1/15/2002 2:39:30 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
OK. SO thay got ONE unimportant condition. So what? We then dictated their new constitution and set the successor government and occupied their country to make sure they complied.

Oh, well, I guess the history books are wrong. The Japanese really did win WWII.

Have you thought about taking up residence here?
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To: Solon who wrote (42329)1/15/2002 6:06:19 PM
From: J. C. Dithers  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Solon ... Puh-leeeeeze!

the validity of the document relied upon the authority of the Emperor thus preserving the very "condition" which was at issue for the Japanese ...

Now, think, Solon. Who is supposed to sign on behalf of a nation surrendering? The government that will be in place next week? I don't think so. The present government does the signing. The Germans would have signed on behalf of Adolph Hitler, had he been alive, and still the Fuhrer. MacArthur could have written in "Mickey Mouse" where the Japanese were supposed to have signed, but that would not have been valid. Of course the Japanese needed to sign in the name of the Emperor for the surrender to be valid.

Does that mean the Emperor remains the ruling power of Japan? Read my lips:

The authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to ef- fectuate these terms of surrender.

The Emperor rules "subject to (MacArthur)". The Emperor now becomes a subject of MacArthur, who is the real ruler. MacArthur, the "American Caesar", "will take such steps as he deems proper." That could mean hanging Hirohito from the nearest telephone pole. Or it could mean that Hirohito is to report to Mac at 7 AM each day and wash the General's feet, polish his boots, and wipe his butt.

You think that is the "concession" the Japanese had in mind? Find me anything in the surrender that says the Emperor is to have any power, or remain in power. It says "unconditional," and that is what it meant.

When Hirohito made his first appearance before his people (who had never seen him before), he quickly told them that (Surprise!) I am not divine. He told them, I am just a mere mortal like you, after all. So much for Divinity. When the war crimes trial started, there were many who wanted to see Hirohito put on trial, especially because of the evidence that indicated that the Emperor had approved orders to kill the POWs. Nothing in the terms of surrender prevented that.

First you told us to ignore all those Japanese "fight to the death" statements. They didn't really mean that. Now you're telling us, forget the "unconditional" surrender agreement. They didn't really mean that.

What inventive re-writing of history do you have up your sleeve next?