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To: Dennis O'Bell who wrote (16761)	1/18/2002 3:31:23 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't know about the core elite, but there's these news stories floating around that OBL is no longer with us. nytimes.com nytimes.com . Mushararraf may have his own agenda, and the other story is pretty speculative, but on the other hand Iran is not exactly friendly to Sunni Wahabism either.

To: Dennis O'Bell who wrote (16761)	1/18/2002 3:58:17 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 281500

>"If we pull our military out of SA it most certainly will be seen as a victory by the Islamists, though the rest of the world will probably greet it with a yawn." The solution is simple: pull out of Israel also. Hard to face, I know. Much more fun to play geopolitical nintendo with our power and the lives of others. Pulling our fingers out of the M.E. light-socket will cost many politicians and consultants years' worth of fees and bribes, but will face the facts: we in the US do not have the solution to their problems. Only they can solve their problems. Even Kissinger (the "war criminal") says that. We've been hypnotized into the unexamined assumption in all of our FA discussions that we play global cop, when the evidence shows open commercial involvement is the answer, not a secret military one. If they want to do business, play nice. The leaders will quickly be motivated to get results when they aren't propped up by money and weapons. SA is not playing nice, either. Without their oil we can prosper, but they cannot, and will change or be overthrown, without the US firing a shot, or taking more bribes. There are enough individual US citizens who support Israel to float billions in cash, without US government involvement and coercion of non-Israeli taxpayers and resulting blowback. Politicians here supporting FA in SA and Israel don't represent those taxpayers and should be impeached or recalled. I would support a billion a year to the UN to support such but the rest of our expenditures do vastly more harm than good. IMO