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To: TimF who wrote (141888)	1/18/2002 5:02:46 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1585064

"also liberals where behind things like the PC movement, strict sexual harrasment laws, and a greater amount of regulation in general. " And conservatives are behind laws regulating personal behavior like the sodomy laws here in Texas, the laws against oral sex in Virginia, the cohabitation laws in North Carolina, laws regulating when and where alcohol is sold and other social engineering laws. Conservatives and liberals both like to social engineer, they just have different areas of interest. Liberals like to drape themselves in the flag of personal liberty, conservatives in the flag of morality. But both like to outlaw the things they don't approve of... Where you plot the various groups is not the big point, the point is that a one dimensional, left/right mapping leaves out a lot and distorts the discussion. It lets people like my little buddy David Ray paint everyone he doesn't agree with as a "liberal" (as he did you once), and start foaming at the mouth about Clinton. The whole liberal/conservative pigeonholing that is popular in this country is nuts. It doesn't actually describe anything of importance. You probably label tejek both and me as liberals, but we are on opposite sides on many issues. That liberal/conservative brush is just way too broad.

To: TimF who wrote (141888)	1/18/2002 7:29:30 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1585064

I like the "Nolan Chart" better then the "Pournelle Chart", but I think it is mistaken when it finds liberals to be vastly more for personal liberty then conservatives. Not only is economic liberty often very personal, but also liberals where behind things like the PC movement, strict sexual harrasment laws, and a greater amount of regulation in general. Tim, what you seem to be trying to do is moving the good things from the liberal's good traits over to the conservative's good traits, and then you turn around and find some new bad things that normally conservatives would be noted for and tack them onto the liberals' bad trait list. By the time you finish, conservatives have no bad traits and liberals...there's nothing but bad. I know you want to be the perfect human being but I, for one, am not fooled by the maneuver. ted

To: TimF who wrote (141888)	1/18/2002 7:35:10 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1585064

I like the "Nolan Chart" better then the "Pournelle Chart", but I think it is mistaken when it finds liberals to be vastly more for personal liberty then conservatives. Not only is economic liberty often very personal, but also liberals where behind things like the PC movement, strict sexual harrasment laws, and a greater amount of regulation in general. Tim, what you seem to be trying to do is to move all the good things from the liberals' side over to the conservatives'side, and then you turn around and find some new bad things that normally conservatives would be noted for and tack them onto the liberals' bad traits list. By the time you finish, conservatives have no bad traits and liberals...there's nothing but bad. I know you want to be the perfect human being but I, for one, am not fooled by the maneuver. ted