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To: AlienTech who wrote (16827)	1/19/2002 4:03:06 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Well, to put this in the simplest terms: horseshit.

To: AlienTech who wrote (16827)	1/19/2002 5:19:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Carping is easy, and this crowd are clearly pros at it. Would they really have prefered that the US not soil its hands by making alliance with any of Afghanistan's impure neighbors (impure is the only kind they've got), and leave Mullah Omar and OBL alone to gloat in their victory and plan their next attack? Probably. That would have let them carp about our superpwower indifference to the humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan, would would be, of course, our fault.

To: AlienTech who wrote (16827)	1/19/2002 5:50:06 PM
From: Climber	Respond to of 281500

<<So is Saudia Arabia such a bad place to live after all?>> As my expat friends at Aramco used to say about living in Dhahran, "Hell is a local call." Climber@atleastit'scheap.com

To: AlienTech who wrote (16827)	1/19/2002 9:17:16 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>an anti-terrorism law - the "patriot law" - that gives the government powers to arrest suspects and detain them almost indefinitely, deport them, hold them in solitary confinement, open their mail, tap their phones, monitor their email and search their homes without a warrant<< This statement is factually incorrect. The Patriot Act requires that a warrant be issued, on probable cause, for opening mail, tapping phones, monitoring email, and searching homes. The only change is that the warrant can be issued by the court in the jurisdiction where the investigation originated, like New York City, or Washington, and sent to another jurisdiction via fax and email. There is no longer a requirement to find a judge to issue a warrant in every jurisdiction in the country. In light of the fact that the investigation is national in nature, it makes sense to me. Nobody can be arrested without probable cause. You are confusing arrest with detention. People can be taken into custody for questioning - that's not the same thing as being arrested. If the person is an illegal alien, he can be detained for a fairly long time before he is deported - I think it used to be 120 days, and I think it's been increased. During that time, charges may be brought for violation of US immigration law, and it's unlikely that the detainee will be released on bail, as he's probably a flight risk. Illegal aliens have no right to be here, so of course they are deported if they are not convicted of a crime and jailed - after which, they will be deported. Holding people in solitary confinement is a decision made by the jail staff. If a person is a risk to the safety of others, then there's no reason to endanger others. >>Some 1,200 foreigners have been secretly arrested, and more than 600 are still in prison, although no court has found them guilty. Many have not been brought before a judge and they have been denied access to lawyers.<< I see that your information is very out of date, and, again fails to grasp the distinction between arrest and detention. After a person has been arrested then he is brought before a judge. People who have not been arrested are not brought before judges. Illegal aliens will almost never see a judge. Maybe this is all new to illegal aliens, but these laws have been on the books for years.