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To: Mannie who wrote (9422)	1/20/2002 9:49:43 AM
From: Clappy	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 104155

That reversal of the fumble call was about as ridiculous as it gets....wow. From what I've been hearing and reading, it wasn't a bad call. It's a bad rule. From ESPN's site: espn.go.com After a number of minutes and plenty of head scratching, the play was ruled an incomplete pass. The ruling of referee Walt Coleman: while Brady was trying to tuck the ball, his arm was moving forward, thus the play was ruled an incomplete pass. This was based on Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2, Note 2 of the NFL rule book: "...any intentional forward movement of [the passer's] arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body." Explained Coleman to a pool reporter, "When I got over to the replay monitor and looked it was obvious that his arm was coming forward, he was trying to tuck the ball and they just knocked it out of his hand. His hand was coming forward, which makes it an incomplete pass." Asked to explain what it would have taken for it to be ruled a fumble, Coleman said, "He would have had to have brought it all the way in and got it all the way underneath his arm in order for it (to be a fumble)." (Westy would be proud of me...) <g> If you ask me, I would think that as soon as the QB makes it evident that he does not intend on throwing the ball, and his arm motion is stopped, the ball should be considered in play. Why should he be given the extra second to tuck it away safely? The league should look at that rule again and consider changing it. All in all, I think this was an incredible game. Hopefully the Raider fans will be able to see it as that, also. That game will be on highlight reels for years to come. -FootballFan

To: Mannie who wrote (9422)	1/20/2002 3:51:27 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104155

His 'Great Big Boy' album is one of my favorite cd's. It is a masterpiece. Do you have it? It is new, every time I listen to it. you mentioned that before. this is where i came in... deja vu. i saw leo in concert here 31 years ago. he was great then. he should be getting pretty damn good by now <G> which is better? great? or pretty damn good? i'll let you know after i see him again. he makes self-effacing comments about his singing voice sounding like a flock of sick geese (and some agree with him) but i think it sounds wonderful - wish i could sing like that... his fame though, is that 12 string. edit: here's his washington venues on this spring tour: Leo Kottke Concert 4/12/2002 8:00 pm Location: Metropolitan PAC Spokane, WA Web Site Tickets: 800-325-7328 or 509-227-7404 Leo Kottke Concert 4/13/2002 8:00 pm Location: South Ridge High School Auditorium Kennewick, WA Tickets: 800-325-7328 Leo Kottke Concert 4/14/2002 7:00 pm Location: Everett PAC Everett, WA Tickets: 425-257-8888, 888-257-3722 or 425-257-6360 looks like he doesn't come to seattle this time