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To: maceng2 who wrote (633)	1/22/2002 8:33:14 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 6945

<< I just wonder how much life experience could have improved all around if peaceful intentions had won at the outset. >> My God, we agree on something. Break out the champagne! It is so sad, isn't it? Putting aside our political and cultural differences, my heart breaks when I think about what could have been. We could have seen great contributions by both Israelis and Palestinians, if they had just worked together. Could you imagine how good the Palestinian economy could have been if the Arab nations had poured countless hundreds of millions into development rather than into five wars against Israel?

To: maceng2 who wrote (633)	1/23/2002 3:47:40 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

Pearly, you may want to read the following, it may give you an insight as to how Arafat has turned an Israeli population that was on his side and wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt, to a population that now gets to the point of "Pox on both your houses" (where "both" are the moderate and extreme Palestinians). Hevron Massacre Survivor Among Yesterday's Victims Sarah Hamburger, 79, a resident of downtown Jerusalem, is one of the two women who were murdered by the Palestinian terrorist who opened random fire on downtown Jaffa St. yesterday afternoon. She will be buried in Jerusalem tomorrow afternoon. Sarah Hamburger was a 5-year-old girl in Hevron during the Arab pogrom of 1929; 67 Jews were slaughtered, but she and her family were saved. The identity of yesterday's second victim, a 56-year-old Jerusalem woman, has not yet been cleared for publication. Both died at around 2 AM after emergency medical treatment failed. Eight wounded victims remain hospitalized, including two women in serious condition. Arutz-7's Kobi Sela reported from Jerusalem's Jaffa St. this morning that passersby and storeowners on the street, which has seen more than its share of terrorism in the recent past, are facing the situation with stoicism. While workmen were busy replacing bullet-ridden display windows, people talked about the situation. "It simply cannot go on this way," one young woman told Sela. "We die, and die, and die - and for what? For nothing! Just because we wanted to sit in a cafe, or to celebrate at a Bat Mitzvah, or wait for a bus…" Another man said, "Total chaos - that's what will be here, unless they go in and eradicate the terrorism from the very roots… By warning them in advance to evacuate their people so that we can go and bomb empty buildings - that's not the way. We have to go in with full force... We tried! We gave them weapons, and sovereignty in their areas - and it didn't work. They have always wanted only to kill Jews, and that's what they'll continue to try to do." A "particularly large" bomb found in Jerusalem's Talpiot neighborhood last night was safely neutralized by a police sapper team - but not before a nearby wedding hall and other buildings were evacuated of their celebrants and occupants. A 19-year old boy recognized the object as suspicious and alerted the police. The bomb was dismantled only after several hours.

To: maceng2 who wrote (633)	1/23/2002 3:51:19 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

Well, all sorts of problems there. Some nutball Zionists probably didn't help matters either. At the time of partition, the Arab proposal for Palestine was that the Jews remain a subject people in a united Palestine run by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al Husseini. Husseini was a leader who had risen to power in the 20s and 30s by fomenting such extremism against the Jews that the British ambassador in Transjordan compared him to the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland, who had to keep running faster and faster just to keep up; the Mufti had to keep getting more and more extreme to satisfy the emotions he had stirred up. The Mufti had consolidated his rise to power by assassinating about 2000 of his opponents. Prominent Palestinian Arabs who favored compromise were assassinated and the others learned to shut up for their own good. The Mufti was behind the Arab riots of '20, the Hebron massacre of '29, the Arab Revolt of '36. The British finally kicked the Mufti out in '36. The Mufti put his trust in Hitler, raised a couple of battalions of Muslims for the Waffen SS, and spent WWII in Germany, where he made it his personal business to ensure that no Jew escaped the Final Solution to go to Palestine. This was the leader the Arabs proposed for Palestine. I submit that nutcase Zionists were not really the cause of the problem. The Arab leadership utterly rejected the idea of partition, and they were not looking for mutually acceptable solutions.