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To: Craig Freeman who wrote (21511)	1/25/2002 2:25:01 PM
From: Artslaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 60323

Craig, (highly off topic--Intel vs AMD vs heat) I agree that P4's run a lot hotter than PIII mobiles (which is what I think Tualatin ultimately is, right?), but I would guess that the new P4 2.0/2.2 GHz 0.13micron chips (at their lower voltage but larger cache) probably run cooler. Regardless, P4 retail chips ship with Intel fans that run reasonable quiet--it's the cheaper case fans that can be loud. Half the people where I work have P4 workstations (the 'older' 0.18micron ones) and I never noticed any noise, most likely because they are under the desks. Did you see the article on TomsHardware comparing AMD to Intel when the heatsinks are removed? The AMD chips literally burned up (never to work again), whereas the Intel chips handled it by either turning off (the P3s) or throttling (P4s). That's why I pay the Intel premium--they don't cut corners. I have a problem with temperature as well--virtually all reliability mechanisms are accelerated by temperature. AMD parts do run ridiculously hot, so I'd avoid them for that reason alone. The P4's, by comparison, are not nearly as bad (at least that's what I hear, can't say I've seen a study). I don't have the least problem buying them (but I value performance and Rambus over fan noise), but maybe I've been more brainwashed by my Intel friends than my AMD friends? Steve