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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (14369)	2/3/2002 10:18:34 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I have a theory [as always] that depression is a similar manifestation of frustrated identity where the external world won't match the internal identity of the person, leaving them disappointed, frustrated, angry and often suicidal as they live an eternal loop of failed expectations which they can't escape because they are trapped by their early childhood experiences which gave them expectations they've learned to believe are part of their identity. Maybe that's the case in some instances but it is too general... I don't believe it's a chemical imbalance or other nonsense like that, which is a way of moving 'the blame' from the person to an external agent, as though it's something that 'happens to' the person and an external agent can 'fix'. I do think an external agent can 'fix' the problem, but it's an environmental change which will probably conflict with the person's self-identity, so they'll resist the change anyway. Drugs do help because as I see it the depression becomes self perpetuating - some event or whatever may trigger it but then it becomes a partly chemical self-accelerating process. Drugs break the spiral and help the person work their way out of the hole they got dug into...

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (14369)	2/4/2002 7:29:42 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

>>I have a theory [as always] that depression is a similar manifestation of frustrated identity where the external world won't match the internal identity of the person, leaving them disappointed, frustrated, angry and often suicidal as they live an eternal loop of failed expectations which they can't escape because they are trapped by their early childhood experiences which gave them expectations they've learned to believe are part of their identity.<< That seems perfectly consistent with my understanding of the three people whom I knew well who committed suicide. One of the things I tell my children (which my mother told me) is that no one is ever going to love you as much as you love yourself.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (14369)	2/4/2002 10:49:24 AM
From: AC Flyer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Maurice: Excellent post! I have been literally dismayed by the dishonesty, avarice and malice I have encountered in my business career. I have an MBA from a leading US business school and there have been times when I have considered sending it back - for example, the principal architect of Enron's capital structure, Jeffrey Skilling, is an alumnus of the same institution. I wonder if a career in another field would have been a better choice but perhaps this is all just human nature, as you say, and will be found anywhere. I'd like to think not.