To: Ilaine who wrote (14395 ) 2/4/2002 10:28:08 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559 >>I have a theory [as always] that depression is a similar manifestation of frustrated identity where the external world won't match the internal identity of the person, leaving them disappointed, frustrated, angry and often suicidal as they live an eternal loop of failed expectations which they can't escape because they are trapped by their early childhood experiences which gave them expectations they've learned to believe are part of their identity.<< <That seems perfectly consistent with my understanding of the three people whom I knew well who committed suicide. > Speaking of loops, here we are back at cognitive dissonance [resolved here by Prozac and suicide] and Male Answer Syndrome. You mentioned that women used to have it tough and made a couple of points about men too. Being an engineer type, I like to use measurable things. If we count the corpses, men have it tougher [even without war] with life expectancy significantly lower than women [around the world]. Being contaminated with testosterone is apparently a burden on the individual surviving, but good for reproduction and descendants surviving [and reproducing]. So far anyway. Overall there is obviously quite a burden on all people, because they all end up dead [so far]. Mq PS: On evolution as religion fredoneverything.net I liked this part <...The popular understanding, probably shared in unguarded moments by academic evolutionists though they know better, is that Evolution is a force propelling life toward greater perfection. We speak of ourselves as Higher Primates, for example, though in terms of adaptation to environment we are inferior to tape worms and roaches. Popular evolution is suffused with a progress toward desired ends here that cannot be derived from the physics: Bang, gas, planets, trilobites, Los Angeles. ... > <g> ... snicker... I liked the Ghandi quote "Western civilisation would be a good idea". We are obviously not far along the evolutionary trail when we think of Los Angeles and its inhabitants as the peak of human evolution so far. Something I noticed during a trip around India [1997] was a seemingly high level of equanimity [another brain chemical]. It occurred to me then that they were perhaps happier than Americans, isolated in their suburbia, cubicles, computers, SUVs, freeways and anonymous in their malls. Their brows were unfurrowed. I wonder if their serotonin reuptake is measurable and comparisons with the USA possible. Money and happiness have a tenuous correlation - I wonder if there's a graph. However, I far prefer wealth to poverty in my own life [though I don't think I'm happier or sadder].