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To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (224995)	2/4/2002 11:44:06 PM
From: Mana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

It is not destroying life until it has reached the stage of development when it can survive without the mother's body as a support system. Until that stage, it is part of her body which is her personal domain. It becomes another life when it is capable of sustaining life without using its host. That's crap! When my wife had ultrasounds for our two kids, it was crystal clear that they had awareness of themselves and their surroundings. If you would have taken them from their mother's womb at that time, they would not have survived. No matter how you pretty it up it is still murder. -Mana

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (224995)	2/5/2002 12:01:48 AM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Thorny issues raised here. Premies are put into incubators and routinely thrive and live. If a 7-month pregnant woman is murdered and the fetus doesn't survive, is it a single homicide or a double homicide? Does it depend upon whether the fetus is "viable," whether it is "wanted," or if it would have lived if it had been quickly placed in an incubator? What about a woman who is 6-1/2 months pregnant with a baby she wants, and somebody punches her in the stomach, causing a miscarriage? Murder? Yes, by some peoples' thinking, even liberals, but not according to other schools of thought. Many other fact patterns to consider, and somebody's going to have to come up with a a much more consistent and coherent view of how to deal with them. The theme liberals seem to focus on is whether the baby is wanted by the mother. But that won't work, because we can't base criminal murder laws on someone else's (other than the actor's) intent.