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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (18048)	2/4/2002 11:52:10 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

The Europeans are quite cynical about all this... I think this paragraph is an accurate assessment from my following the francophone news media. Particularly the line about "avoiding trouble". For nothing in the world do the French want another horrifying round of Paris metro bombings; they aren't capable of dropping some daisy-cutters on Algeria in retaliation. Look at Europe's sitting on their hands when it was simply not possible not to know what was going down in Rwanda. Plenty of time to shed a few tears for the million exterminated after the dust settled on that one. But there's also a latent jealousy of the "hegemony" of the USA which they see mirrored in Israeli society. Much better for them to support the Palestinian underdogs... I could be mistaken, but I don't think anti Semitism plays a major role in this, at least in comparison to practical issues like business interests with the Muslim world. Brussels is really out to lunch a times, like putting Ariel Sharon on the same level as a war criminal like Milosivic. Who are they kidding?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (18048)	2/5/2002 10:01:46 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

By Victor Davis Hanson, I, genuinely, do not understand how anyone could take this guy seriously. This particular essay has little to do with anything of the present moment. No mention that American foreign policy is heavily driven by Jewish voters on the one hand and oil interests on the other; no mention that right now the need is not for a state hagiography but for cool heads willing to tamper down the rhetoric. We are headed to something, in my estimation, that is extremely serious, deadly, whatever, in this area. This doesn't help; but is more likely, hopefully, irrelevant. I will take Said over this guy anytime. You see all of Said's anger but then a very explicit turn to see what can be worked out. What a waste. John

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (18048)	2/5/2002 6:16:28 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 281500

Thanks, this was fun, "candidates are either screened, preselected" (etc) Preselected like in party list systems?? Lots of other less funny stuff: "The ultra-Orthodox do not run the government unless they can garner a majority of voters.", From the land of Swing-Voters!!! "There are thousands of brilliant and highly educated Palestinians. But in the conditions of the Middle East, they have little opportunity for free expression..", especially with bombed radiostations... "Pluralism exists in Israel, rarely so in the Arabic world." if just Arafat would jail and kill anyone with a plural opinion. Even touching on the water resources and salty drip arrangements... Ouch,ouch,ouch, DNA-ouch "achievement that is not reflective of genes, but rather of the culture of freedom" etc,etc.... sounds of times long time almost past... Ilmarinen