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To: Joe NYC who wrote (70959)	2/7/2002 6:23:34 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Joe, Re: "I think the product had other problems as well. Lack of performance, or should I say lack of MHz." What makes you say that? Do you have a link? Re: "Also, shrinking an integrated product such as Timna to newer process technologies must be more complicated than regular non-integrated CPUs." And who says this? Is this a problem associated with all integrated CPUs? wbmw

To: Joe NYC who wrote (70959)	2/7/2002 7:33:52 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I think the product had other problems as well. Lack of performance, or should I say lack of MHz I also think that performance was the larger problem. I think AMD forced Intel to push the low end performance far past what was anticipated for Timna. I don't believe they would have killed an entire design based on a memory controller alone if the design had a performance advantage. On this issue, I don't believe Intel. It's as simple as that. THE WATSONYOUTH

To: Joe NYC who wrote (70959)	2/7/2002 8:49:58 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I think the product had other problems as well. Lack of performance, or should I say lack of MHz. It was below regular Coppermine Well you're wrong and I know what I'm talking about, I played a role in that project. The performance was too good in many ways. The internal FSB was able to run at 200MHz and with the reduced latency it was a screamer. The FSB was intentionally lowered to keep it from encroaching on CuMine[my intrepratation]. The apparent lower MHz was a function of the market it was intended to serve. There was a 256K L2 ondie that was hobbled to 128K to keep the performance down[again my intrepretation]. We had units running at 1GHz. I remember specifically asking management in Haifa what they were going to do if the MTH didn't work (another product that I played a role in. I hope there isn't a pattern here). The response was basically "don't ask". EP