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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (158225)	2/9/2002 4:47:12 AM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: if a 3.3V AGP card is keyed as 1.5V, it is NOT complying with AGP standards.. I've repeated this OVER AND OVER again to you The market is full of 3.3V AGP cards that don't comply with AGP standards. The 3.3V AGP standard pre-dated the existence of 1.5V cards, and so many of the 3.3V cards don't comply with the notch configuration that supports 1.5V cards. You guys all went on and on about how heatsinks falling off CPUs was an issue for AMD. Anyone who's ever put a heat sink on one of those chips know how ludicrous that idea was. Getting the clamp on was often too difficult - and there was a minor issue there - but the chances one falling off once it was installed were virtually zero. Not so with Intel's AGP issue - the only way to know if an AGP card is going to destroy your P4 system is to either have detailed specifications for it, or to plug it in and see if it instantly destroys your system. As long as virtually all P4's were new systems bought pre-configured from OEM's with compliant AGP cards, that wasn't a problem. But as P4 prices come down and more P4 systems are in the mainstream, there will be more cases of shuffling cards - something that brings out an occasional compatibility issue with all systems, including AMD systems - but which will routinely destroy P4 systems. This is a classic example of why AMD systems are usually more robust than Intel systems. Intel has most of the market, which often lets it dictate standards, which gave rise to a conviction at Intel that they could just specify something such as "no one will ever try to put one of the many AGP cards that doesn't match the dictated slot design into a P4 motherboard" or "everyone will now move, lock step, to embrace Rambus." You guys are basically saying "they didn't listen to us, now their motherboards will have to die!" To AMD's suppliers, that seems a little harsh, so even newer AMD motherboards support 3.3 volts to the AGP slot (just in case) or have some kind of protection circuit. You think it's not a problem? Try pasting "agp 3.3 damage" into google and you'll get pages of Intel 845 and Intel 850 links.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (158225)	2/9/2002 12:28:06 PM
From: greg s	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Tench, OT re: Funny how I'm the one accused of being a paid Intel FUDster, while you go around freely spreading your AMD FUD like the 'Droid you are. Yeah, I reported TWY's post to Mani as a violation of mod thread rules (personal attack) over 24 hrs. ago. NOTHING in reply. I'm sure it will be twisted around and will be deemed "not in violation", when the post clearly attacked you personally and your integrity. Gottfried even had the temerity to say that a 3rd party could not report a violation, only the offended party. I straightened him out on that. I think this proves that the Mod rules are enforced for the convenience of the 'Droids. The facade of unbiased enforcement has been shattered. greg