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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (914)	2/9/2002 11:58:04 PM
From: ajtj99	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

Zeev, I work with someone who was forced to leave his home in '48 with his family when the israeli tanks and infantry came to town. I've heard his stories and read documentations of it in publication by independent sources. They eventually fled to a Ramallah, and eventually emigrated to the US. Someday I'll go into more detail, but I know for a fact this entire town (and several others) had no choice but to get up and leave or face imminent death at the hands of the advancing troops. Many died anyway. Interestingly, many Christians were spared by the troops. It's a lousy situation, and not too many will be happy with any solution. Making Jerusulem an international city like the Vatican, but with 3-religions, could help, and building infrastructure and industry in the occupied territories (not settlements) will also help. The settlements have to go, an agency that is not corrupt needs to be established to oversee re-construction of the territories with the use of Gulf money, and investment and industry must be established there in partnership with Israeli companies. The Palestinians are a source of cheap labor, and there is so much good that the Israelis and Palestinians could do together if they could coexist. The current corrupt Palestinian administration is doomed, but there is no other clear alternative at this time. The Sharon administration is doomed also, as the Israeli people will soon start doing the pre-Sharon and post-Sharon casualty math and figure they were better off without him. You very rarely see war in countries that are economically strong. People without jobs and without hope have lots of time to take out their frustrations. This is really simplistic, but I just wanted to point out that I do know some details from a few people who experienced what you say did not happen. They have all moved on in their lives, and just want to see everyone live in peace in that area.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (914)	2/10/2002 2:27:20 AM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 6945

and no one forced them to leave either How well do you know the nature of fear? Some folks do and some don't. No big deal.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (914)	2/12/2002 1:03:33 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 6945

Have you read Mark Twain's reports from his visit to the holy land around 1860? I can't find a URL for it, but recently there was a PBS show on Mark Twain, and it mentioned his surprise at how empty, desolated and deserted the country was. I have heard this. I have also read numerous accounts, from people who actually lived there, about how the area was populated and had much successful agriculture. The fact that you are propagating this myth about Israel demonstrates the degree of your indoctrination by Zionism. electronicintifada.net These that really "loved the land" refused to leave in 1948, and no one forced them to leave either. Nice attempt at holocaust denial, but there is really no debate on this issue. jerusalemites.org palestine-net.com Tom