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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (10688)	2/13/2002 1:39:20 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

Where did Fred ever claim he was God? Even Satan is a creation of God. Success is the best revenge and consistency is the best policy. The Lord hates the tepid and like the Nike commercial say "Just do it". Toto was also created by God... kansasoz.com

To: Greg or e who wrote (10688)	2/13/2002 2:00:26 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

WOW....!!! >>Toto, is a dog Fred. What you are really claiming, although you couch it, is that you are God. That's the evil wizard's line Fred. it's as untrue, as it is blasphemous. The wizard has you convinced that he is an angel of light, when in fact he is Satan. Choose ye this day Fred.>> Greg: I know I have a wild and crazy imagination, but I believe you just flew past this one with a 50,000 foot pole. Perhaps my message got lost in all the smoke and fire of the Wizard's Castle. Toto is a wonderful creature who God created. God is in ALL things!! Even Toto!! And as our Father He uses everything and anything to, bit by bit, get us closer and closer to coming into the light of His understanding so we can finally know and celebrate who we really are!! Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard! And this opened up a whole New World for the Wizard and as kids and family members we all can receive, share and celebrate the deeper spiritual meaning behind this wonderful story. Just as the Bible teaches us, we are ALL individual with divine souls which were made in the image of God. Notice the phrase "image of God" does not mean GOD. BIG difference. Still, bottom line, we are ALL ONE (1). Perhaps it's this oneness and unity that's not squaring with this frequency of fight, claim and blame that you are sharing on this thread. And this is not YOU, Greg. It's a spirit that's expressing itself through you. The same applies to me in the good or negative-evil. We receive these ideas, thoughts and energies from the spiritual realm. It's only when we ACT them out as "effects" with words and actions to we appear to appropriate them to ourselves. I have no right to claim ANY goodness that I receive and share with others. By the same token I have no right to claim ANY evil is exclusively from me or others. I freely acknowledge and give credit to the spiritual sources from which these things came. And I simply acknowledge that I am free to chose to receive from good or bad channels and then appropriate those energies into "effects" that manifest as actions in this world. Again, Toto got his energy - even the instinct - to pull the curtain from our Father. So, too, do YOU while a whole lotta spiritual awareness added to what Toto has!! So, too, does everyone!! Now whether you, I or we acknowledge, believe and share this understanding is a different story. But to claim to be the ONE End - ie. God - is like Babe Ruth fantazing hitting a home run out of Wrigley Field and around the entire world. Let it go Greg!! We are ONE (1)!! 119293!!

To: Greg or e who wrote (10688)	2/13/2002 2:15:35 PM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

SEPARATION FROM GOD: Greg, a constant theme of your posts is that there is God, and then there is "us" (related but SEPARATE). This is a very common conception in some (but far from all) religions. From Adi Da's perspective (and yes, I do understand that you will consider it blasphemous), this is a false view. Some of his comments on this are: Separation (or contraction) from the world (or whatever and all that is presently arising) is (unfortunately) precisely the first and constant (and inherently problematic) thing done by all those who make efforts to find out (or to account for) how the world is arising (and What Is its Ultimate Nature). Separation (or self-contraction) is the first (and foundation) gesture made by anyone who has a problem, or who is seeking, or who is making an effort to account for anything whatsoever. Pleasurable oneness (or inherently Love-Blissful Unity) is inherent (or necessarily and priorly the case, no matter what conditions do or do not arise), and (therefore) pleasurable oneness (or inherently Love-Blissful Unity) is (necessarily) uncaused, and Real (or always already the case, and always already in, of, and Identical to Truth)-whereas separateness (or "Difference") is always conditional, conditionally caused (or only conditionally apparent), and illusory (or always already dissociated from Reality and Truth). Pleasurable oneness (or inherently Love-Blissful Unity) need not (and cannot fruitfully) be sought. Pleasurable oneness (or inherently Love-Blissful Unity) can be (apparently) lost, by the act of self-contraction (and, thereby, of apparent separation, separateness, and separativeness). Pleasure-seeking, Love-Bliss-seeking, or Unity-seeking efforts (of any kind) are only parts of a strategic (and always already un-Happy) adventure-and such effort and adventure are entered into only by those who are already (presently) separating (or contracting) themselves in (and from) What Is, and such adventurers are seeking only because they are already, presently, separating (or contracting) themselves in (and from) What Is. FROM: The Da Love-Ananda Gita Perhaps you can clarify for us what is blasphemous in the statements: --there is nothing but God --there is no separation from God Namaste! Jim