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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 8:57:09 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"If one accepts that God is All That Is and All That Is Not then any temporal "slice" of this infinite matrix will be perceived as a cycle of creation/destruction" Fine, except that the traditional model (also Adi Da) for any level of "temporal slice" is perceived (or maybe not perceived) as: Creation Preservation/sustaining Destruction This matter of the cycles is very much the subject of Vedanta. Yes? No? "Change is thus truly the only constant".... in the MANIFESTED worlds, but God (as All That is Not) is CHANGELESS Yes? No? "change is manifested as time" In Adidam we would say change is EXPERIENCED as time. We would also say something like "time is the EXPERIENCE of the "distance" between two seemingly separate "points" or "beings" Yes? No? "In a sense, the reason one cannot say what anything "is" is because stasis is the illusion while the endless cycles of becoming/unbecoming are the reality." Yes, and Adi Da's model is STASIS--illusory assumption of the egoic being CHANGE--the actuality of the conditional worlds CHANGELESSNESS--the unmanisfested God in which the conditional worlds and all conditional beings appear Yes? No? And finally (for this post), in CWG how does a being in the "God-Godding" slice of things -- come to REALIZE his/her/its "situation" in the scheme of things? -- come to REALIZE (and live AS) the normally unmanifested God in the midst of "God-Godding"? Yes, your last post did help. I will try to find an item or two of Adi Da's in which he addresses some of these issues. Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 9:14:30 AM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

CHANGE (from Adi Da) The Way of this Teaching is not characteristically a subjective or internal Way, but a radical, transcendental Way. The "inward" self is not regarded to be closer to God than the "outer" self, nor is subjective change regarded to be the primary, sufficient, and independent requirement for objective change. Rather, change occurs through insight into the entire method of subjectivity, and it requires a persistent, active commitment to new and truly human functional adaptation. First, change your act-and your mind and desires will begin to change as a reflection of what you are presently doing (whereas now your mind and desires only reflect what you have already done and are, therefore, mechanically tending to do). FROM: The Enlightenment of the Whole Body THE SECRET OF HOW TO CHANGE True change and advanced human adaptation are not made on the basis of any self-conscious resistance to old, degenerative, and sub-human habits. Change is not a matter of not doing something. It is a matter of doing something else-something that is inherently right, free, and pleasurable. Therefore, you must enjoy the freedom to feel and participate in ways of functioning that are right and new. The tendencies and patterns of your earlier adaptations are not wrong. They were appropriate enough in their own moment of creation, and there is no need to feel guilt or despair about them. Likewise, efforts to oppose and change them are basically fruitless. Such efforts are forms of conflict, and they only reinforce the modes of ego-possession. What is not used becomes obsolete-whereas what is opposed is kept before you. Therefore, the creative principle of change is the relaxed inspection and awareness of existing tendencies, and persistent, full feeling-orientation to right, new, regenerative functional patterns. If this principle is practiced consistently and in ecstatic resort to Me, the Divine Heart-Master, free growth is assured. Have no regrets. Resort to Me in Truth and in the present. All that has been done by anyone had its logic in its time. Only I avail. Whatever is your habit in this moment is not wrong. It is simply a beginning. No habit is necessary-but it is only tending to persist, because it has not yet been replaced by further growth. Hear My Wisdom-Teaching of Truth, and understand what is the right, ultimate, and regenerative pattern of each function of the human body-mind. Feel free of all negative judgments about what you have done and what you tend to do. Turn with full feeling-attention to the happy ordeal of new adaptation in most positive Communion with Me, the Divine Heart-Master-for I Am The Unbroken (Indivisible and Indestructible) Light That "Lives" you, and I Am The Only One Who Is (Surrounding, Pervading, and Being you, and all, and All). FROM: Ruchira Avatara Hridaya-Tantra Yoga Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 9:24:15 AM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

THE CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE (from Adi Da) Our knowledge is limited by our point of view, the relationship we assume to the conditions of existence. As soon as we begin to participate truly and freely in the conditions of existence and in Nature as it is, then we become inherently religious, because we begin to enter into the domain of spirits. We realize ourselves and all others to be spirits, we see Nature as a spirit realm, we begin to become sensitive to the hierarchy of the politics of cosmic existence. When you begin to become thus sensitive, you see that all of cosmic Nature in all of its planes is a struggle against Nature, a struggle with others, a struggle against spirits of all kinds. Negative spirits exist in the higher worlds just as in the lower worlds, and always this striving continues. From the point of view of traditional and conventional religion, the ultimate purpose of such striving is generally to return to the ultimate heaven, the place of the God-Spirit, and to live there forever. All striving is based on the ego and the presumption that Nature, as it confronts us in this moment and as it may confront us at any time after death, is necessary, that Nature is simply a given. We presume naively that we are supposed to exist on the basis of what seems to be given, because we are presently apparently individuated entities and because we live in a world or even a grand scheme of like or spiritual entities. Because this grand unfathomable scheme of Nature confronts us, because we seem to be tied to it irrevocably, at least from the point of view of our apparently given state of existence, we naively presume that we are supposed to work out our destiny as egos in the framework of Nature. Therefore, in general this limit is true of all ordinary human beings, and it is also true of the conventions and traditions of religion and spirituality. All of the teachings and all of the cultures of the first five stages of life are based on this naive presumption that existence is individuated and therefore to be worked out in the hierarchical scheme of Nature. FROM: The Fire Gospel Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 9:33:53 AM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

THE RIGHT VIEW OF THE COSMOS (from Adi Da) The right view of the Cosmos is the one that becomes obvious in the case of actual Realization. And that view adheres to the Transcendental intuition of God in the Ecstasy of self-transcendence and the transcendence (as well as the non-suppression) of the World-Process. God is not the Cause or the Parent-Creator of the world and all beings. The world and all beings are themselves a Process of causes and effects that accounts for every appearance and every disappearance. The world and all beings are not merely effects of a Cause that is independent of the world and all beings. There is no such Cause. God is not the Cause. In other words, the world contains all causes as well as all effects. God is the Radiant Transcendental Being that appears to be modified as all causes and effects. God is not merely causes and effects. God is the Condition that appears to be modified (or apparent) as causes and effects. All causes and effects appear as modifications of God. FROM: The Bodily Sacrifice of Attention THE VIRTUE OF THE COSMOS (from Adi Da) What is Real, what is Reality, in this moment is the fact of this moment. Not some part of it, some feature of it, subjective, objective, but the fact, the Isness, Being Itself, Consciousness being and existing, is the Mysterious and ultimate fact. Everything participates in That. Everyone participates in That. The capacity to affirm That, to simply Be That, the capacity of Isness, is the virtue of the cosmos. Consciousness is the virtue. Not the secretions in our bodies, not the semen, not the power of thought, not any of the secondary expressions of our ordinary life, but our Isness, Being Itself, is our virtue. The ability to affirm That and to Be That is our virtue. FROM: The Dreaded Gom-Boo Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 9:39:59 AM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

THE CREATOR GOD (from Adi Da) People who are moved to practice religion, but who are also without Realization, merely "talk" about "God". Even people who are not religious talk about "God"-they may speak negatively about "God" or deny "God" or question the existence of "God". In spite of the fact that the world has, since ancient times, been served by Realizers (within the Great Tradition of the first six stages of life), people still talk about "God" in merely philosophical-even conjectural, or (otherwise) merely "believing" (and not "Knowing")-terms. "God is the Creator." "God is the inner Self." "God is the Absolute." How is a person supposed to relate to "God" according to those verbal-mental definitions? If you relate to "God" as "Creator", you think that "God" (therefore) "Created" you and all of this appearance, and you expect "God" to make this appearance perfect for you. You ask "God" for boons, and you blame "God" when your expectations and wants are not fulfilled. The approach to "God" as "Creator"-not from the "Point of View" of Divine Self-Realization, but from the point of view of the ego (or the limited, human person)-does not make true religion. It makes an ego-based religion of relating to the Divine on the basis of egoic expectations. Such religion makes the Divine the slave of egos-and, ultimately, such religion tends to justify merely social religiosity and utopian expectations. Therefore, only in Most Ultimate (or seventh stage) Samadhi (or Divine Self-Realization) can it be said, in Truth, that "God Is Creator" (meaning "The Source, The Non-Separate Cause, and The Indivisible and Indestructible Substance")-because the Realization of that Samadhi is that there Is Only One. Previous to Divine Self-Realization, the ego-"I" understands that all kinds of causes are manifested in the conditional universe, and these causes make everything happen. Therefore, the ego-"I" cannot, in Truth, say that "God" is the "Cause" (implying that "God" is to blame). When there is the Realization that there is Only One-then, paradoxically, it can be said that Real God Is the Creator (meaning "The True Source and Non-Separate Cause and Only Substance") of all this. FROM: Aham Da Asmi Namaste! Jim * * * * *

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10772)	2/14/2002 9:54:55 AM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 28931

TIME (FROM ADI DA) All time exists simultaneously. Therefore, all events are fixed and knowable in advance as well as during and after the fact of their apparent "happening." EDITORIAL NOTE FROM JIM: It is for the above reason that items like the Urantia Book can offer a 1,000 page Life of Christ which is far more detailed than the surviving base scriptures, and yet is REJECTED by traditionalists because they do not understand how such a thing can exist. Even so, the knowledge of any event depends on our ability to enter into the plane or moment of that event. Therefore, knowledge of events outside of conventional memory and perception depends on our ability to transcend the body-mind in its present space-time state, configuration, or definition. And true knowledge of what is not contained in the present space-time limits of our experience depends on self-surrender, deep consciousness, ecstasy or self-transcendence, and resort to Ignorance, or that Condition of Being that transcends all past and present knowledge. In fact, then, the same requirements exist as a condition of perfect memory, foreknowledge, and total knowledge that exist as the Ultimate Condition of Transcendental Ecstasy or God-Realization. Such is the Paradox or Equation of Reality. The same Condition pertains at Zero, Everything, and Anything. FROM: Scientific Proof of the Existence of God will soon be announced by the White House. Well, Bill, that should be enough for now. Are we getting anywhere in our comparison of Adi Da with CWG? And Frederick, how does all this strike you? Anybody else have views on all this stuff? Namaste! Jim Namaste!