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To: hmaly who wrote (71829)	2/18/2002 12:14:15 AM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Happened to be looking at some old links, and I came across this one: vr-zone.com Date : May 10, 2001 Author : Jarmo Website : Virtual Zone Introduction Here are some pictures from my OC experiment with Thunderbird 1.33Ghz AXIA using Liquid Nitrogen on 2 ASUS A7M266 (Modded). Both mobos feed ~50% to CPU's current each because 1 ASUS A7M266 is not enough to power a TBird 1.33Ghz to over 2Ghz. LN2 container is a copper tube (40mm of dia. 15cm high) soldered to copper plate (6mm thick) and there is a copper wall at the middle of the tube (~10cm high). Display adapter is a Voodoo3 3000 The top speed for overclocked Athlons is still about 2.2GHZ, 9 months later. But they've reduced the power requirements of the chip substantially - just about cut it in half, in fact. AMD seems to have been developing almost all its development efforts to cutting power consumption rather than increasing clock speed, so that air cooled Athlons are regularly hitting 1.8GHZ with a few reports of air cooled chips hitting 2GHZ. overclockers.cssftware.com I wonder if something similar is going on with Intel's roadmaps that have the P4 ramping quickly to 2.4GHZ, then spending 2 quarters to get to 2.6GHZ. Do they need time to cut down the power consumption of the chip?

To: hmaly who wrote (71829)	2/18/2002 12:22:09 AM
From: dale_laroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

>How will Intel outsell AMD 4-1,to the masses, with a high performance, and expensive chip designed for 5 to 10 % of the market.< What you are overlooking is that Northwood has a smaller die size than the 0.25-micron Celeron (Celeron was 154mm2). Intel's problem is not large die size but potential overcapacity. Intel could easily afford to sell the 90nm P4 at an ASP under $100 if they had just enough capacity to meet demand. The problem is that four 300mm wafer fabs will provide far more capacity at 90nm than is needed to meet all the demands of the market.