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To: SirRealist who wrote (19950)	2/25/2002 11:17:04 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Competition for jobs and control of neighborhoods could make a population ripe for exploitation by those with a fascist agenda. I still think that the J curve works here. Populations whose life conditions have improved which then suffer a downturn are available to be recruited. Their newly crystallized grievances make them ready for some sort of collective action. Whose action they join depends more on political traditions, the organizing gifts of the leadership of the movements, etc. than on the sheer fact of the grievances. And, for my money, all that is much more important than national psyches. But then I'm a sociologist. We don't think, as a matter of principle, that psyches explain much in terms of collective action. We know they are there (chuckle) but don't aggregate in a way that makes them explanatory variables. Gettin' academic here. Best go for a walk. John

To: SirRealist who wrote (19950)	2/25/2002 9:06:20 PM
From: Doc Bones	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Immigration - I'm against it. I'm not anti-immigrant, but I am opposed to the mass immigration that brings in a million people legally a year, and perhaps close to that number illegally. My main reason - the inevitable environmental/health damage, especially global warming, that accompanies overpopulation. Immigration is the driver of population growth in the U.S., and, of course, "We're number one" in resource use, giant SUVs, etc. I'm not overly cheerful about the long-term prospects for the MiddleEast, with it's high internal population growth. There are endless supplies of angry young men, with no jobs or prospects, for a Saddam or Ayatollah to send off to war. There are very limited supplies of water in the neighborhood of Israel, and good land seems to be at a premium too. The chief causes of high population growth rate: poverty, and the denigration/subservience of women, both of which the Arab world is "rich" in. Immigration in the U.S. is beloved of conservatives for the cheap labor and endless "growth" - houses, parking lots, etc., and of liberals who get a warm fuzzy feeling from helping anyone who might be a minority - and the cheap nannies, gardeners, etc. are nice too. I've been active against the H1-B program, which is bringing in 200,000 foreign engineers and programmers, at a time of the worst recession ever in high-tech. Americans, including many immigrants, are being layed off en masse and replaced by cheap foreign workers, who are essentially "indentured servants," dependent on their employers for everything, including any chance for permanent residency here. Homework Question: How many of your patriotic congresspeople voted against the recent doubling of the H1-B quotas, and why? Doc@dontgetmestartedoopstoolate.com