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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 5:13:17 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

You had to bring up the graves, didn't you? You would think that with 6 million plus people murdered there would be some mass graves, wouldn't you?>>>>> Grasso I have brought-up Armenian Genocide to argue your contention that Ethnic Groups/Nationalities do not exist outside realm of Religion, which is only part of course of the bond between members of the Ethnic group. You have brought-up Holocaust as either exagerated or attempt to monopolise Suffering....Holocaust can't be exaggerated, it is impossible to grasp...It is possible to grasp why people like you would deny what's left, for Jews to do -that is remember what has transpired and make sure that Israel exist and Strong... To reply to your latest inuendo, about graves...You can't find a single Ukrainian Jewish Family or Belurussian Jews that was not wiped-out by Nazi , except for the Town of Shargorod (Romanian Troops were statoned there) On Crematoriums: rongreene.com Therefore, for the Jews, Hitler devised a different type of camp, the Death Camp. These were actually not concentration camps. They were pure and simple, Murder Factories. Studying history one comes across unspeakable cruelty, bloodshed, murder, and even genocide of whole peoples perpetrated by the cruelest and bloodiest of tyrants. But assembly line Murder Factories like Auschwitz, were unprecedented. Throughout Germany, with typical German efficiency, thousands of cattle trains stuffed with Jews were routed to Auschwitz/ Birkenau, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, Triblinka, and other places in Poland, where the Jewish goods were unloaded, quickly stuffed into air proof chambers, and promptly gassed. After agonizing screams for about half an hour, the human cargo would finally die, and special Jewish squads called commandos, would drag their bodies to the nearby crematoriums where they were burned to ashes. But not before the commandos, with ordinary pliers, would extract the gold teeth of the victims and drop them into wooden boxes, later to be converted into gold bars, stamped with the Swastika, and sent to Switzerland to private Nazi accounts.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 5:19:27 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

You had to bring up the graves, didn't you? You would think that with 6 million plus people murdered there would be some mass graves, wouldn't you?>>>>> To address your logic more directly, the absence of the mass graves for many millions killed in Gulags by Stalin, nullify the numbers?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 7:08:17 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

You had to bring up the graves, didn't you? You would think that with 6 million plus people murdered there would be some mass graves, wouldn't you?>>>>> geocities.com After it was evident the German Nazis and their allies would lose the Second World war, frantic efforts were undertaken to clear all traces of their hideous deeds. Mass graves covering the corpses of civilians murdered in mass executions were dug up again, and inmates of concentration camps such as these three Jewish men were forced to carry the remains of the corpses to this bone-mill to grind the victims' bones to powder which was then thrown into a river. One of the men on the picture had been forced to bury the victims' corpses a few years earlier and had recognized his wife among the dead. Photograph in [KG]

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 7:10:53 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

news.bbc.co.uk Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi death camp in north-eastern Poland. It is necessary to confirm scientifically the existence of the camp, because some crazy voices have denied the existence of the events of that period Polish official The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation in the summer, said the graves - the largest of which is about half the size of a football pitch - contain charred remains. The researchers say this is evidence that the Nazis burnt their prisoners during the final months of the camp's existence.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 7:13:47 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

The forest enclave is circled by car dealerships and littered with old tires and scrap metal, so most passers-by would hardly recognize it as site of one of the worst single atrocities of the Nazi era. In just two days, on Nov. 30 and Dec. 8, 1941, some 25,000 Jews were executed here in the Rumbula forest, located on the outskirts of Riga and just off a busy four-lane highway to Moscow. But otherwise largely forgotten, the case of alleged Nazi war criminal Konrads Kalejs, a Latvian-born man living in Australia, has brought this former killing field into the focus of a criminal investigation—and soul searching. balticsww.com

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (12033)	2/27/2002 7:17:45 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

, Irving is not quite a Holocaust denier but a Holocaust minimizer—and here he has been driven into fantasy land. The Nazi campaign to eliminate European Jewry is about as well documented as anything in history. The Nazi bureaucracy kept meticulous records. There is no responsible figure as to murdered Jews lower than four and a half million. The conventional figure is six million, probably closer to the truth. The bureaucracy could not keep up with the vast numbers consigned to mass graves as the German army swept into Russia and the death squads followed. dartreview.com