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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (11283)	2/27/2002 8:13:48 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

X, I have read this several times. Do you mean to suggest you feel your life is not forlorn without religion? Have you the temerity to suggest your life is not pointless? To be fair you didn't actually suggest that, but could you, if you felt like it? Because I can and do. I have to admit that I am not getting your point. Maybe I am having a senior episode. Or maybe it is the phrasings in the negative. Well, as I just posted to Mitch, I am saying that for me life would be barren and forlorn without faith. "Faith" is quite a bit different from "religion." My life would not seem barren and forlorn without (a) religion, but it might seem more confounding. Without faith in a Deity, my life (now a happenstance accident of nature) would lack purpose and meaning. I don't see any "temerity" in simply stating what is in one's heart (and I am not concluding that you meant to say that). JC

To: epicure who wrote (11283)	2/28/2002 7:21:39 AM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

one joke is that if a casual christian reads the torah they'll get some interesting ideas and their perspective of the faith will change. i'm not a christian but can make an apology for the good/evil conundrum in their theology: say God did make everything, and it was good. sceptics then ask, well how could evil exist if God made everything and it was all good? the apology is that there is a thing called, "God." I call it the YHVH (i have a suspicion that there may be two YHVHs, the 2nd referred to as 'yhvh' but that's beside the point). ok so you have this God and it is everything, and everything is good. well, what if there is a 'nothing?' what if Lucifer, God's most beautiful angel (and in charge of music... some say that's why so much 'devil music' is 'so good'); this satan fellow on a level with Michael and Gabriel; he somehow taps into 'nothing' when he is thrown out of the heavens. so this nothing has seeped into our world and all that was pristine is now in atrophy. in every 'object' of our material world there would always be some amount of both 'everything' ('good') and 'nothing' ('bad'). that's about the best apology i can think of for that. i have a sense that judaism goes further into the relationship with God. there is a dialogue in the synagogues which is lacking in much of christendom. i suspect that in judaism the good/evil distinction is murkier. are there any orthodox jews here who would be able to tell us if there is such a dialogue with G-d as i'm writing of, or if that was just another piece of misinformation i pulled off of a website? the devout moslems would actually be good neighbors. they have a great fascination with Allah and are not violent. they abhor characters like arafat. if this Allah dude is real, i like him. i think he's a teddy bear at heart. one moslem told me hell is not forever in islam... now that's an interesting god... you have to wonder whose side this allah is on though with the moslem world floundering so. so whose god is going to win this 'world war iii?' these people are nuts... everyone take a step back... take a 'time out' and give yourself a big hug and say, 'i like myself and everybody else'