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To: Ali Chen who wrote (73124)	3/4/2002 12:29:24 AM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Now, why all this high praising of Moore "law", when technology moves close and close to it's physical limit? Yes, progress is possible, but at what price? Molecular transistor, quantum transistors, BS transistors...It looks like throwing scaling numbers, 200 - 300 - 500mm, or Micro - Sub-micro - Nano -what's next? Sub-nano, Pico-?, then Femto-transistors? What is the next scientific prefix for extra 10^-3? Ali.....very well said. I've often had similar thoughts along the same lines. What most people don't realize is that for scaling theory to hold..... everything must scale. For instance... gate TOLERANCES must scale just as the gate dimensions get smaller and smaller. When designers tell me, we will need ACLV of no more than +/-50A 3 sigma across an entire 200mm2 chip, I simply laugh. Here's another one. The actual number of dopant ATOMS in a fully depleted 500A channel SOI device may only be several thousand. What's the implication there on Vt control. You can appreciate this. I once submitted a paper for a very advanced vertical NPN bipolar device which incorporated extremely narrow base widths (using low temp Epi) along with a total self aligning scheme for manufacture. I called it the Ballistic Base (no collisions) Super Self-aligned transistor.....aka... the (BBSS) transistor or the (BS)^2 transistor. Needless to say, my management made me change the title. The paper got accepted. THE WATSONYOUTH

To: Ali Chen who wrote (73124)	3/4/2002 1:24:43 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Ali, Re: "Is this only my screwed impression, or anyone else have similar concerns?" Congratulations. You've found a way to discredit and criticize every event at IDF. Thank God we don't live in a world with you in charge. Anybody that falls under your grudge wouldn't survive a second. Progress is bad unless you or someone you like invents it. Nothing is exciting, unless you or someone you like has thought of it first. Nothing is new, since you'll find a way to relate it to someone who's done it before. Nothing will work, until it has your seal of approval. Nothing is special unless you give it the "ok". Why not just say what you really think: Intel is old news, and you just can't wait to take that old news out to the trash. If AMD could have demoed a few of those things - now that would be interesting. wbmw