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To: Rambi who wrote (1348)	3/5/2002 5:28:01 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Thanks Rambi. I thought about looking up an old post but I'm just so sick of reinventing this particular wheel... Karen

To: Rambi who wrote (1348)	3/5/2002 5:49:01 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Weird science Rambi...uhhh...these 74% get classified as heterosexual men? I wouldn't have classified them that way at all. "Of the cases studied involving molestation of a boy by a man, 74 percent of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boy's mother or another female relative. That leaves 24% who are not heterosexual men and 74% who are also not heterosexual men...in my book. Just out of curiosity, how many little girls did these 74 + 24% molest? Not included in the study? hmmmm sniff, sniff, I smell agenda woven into this study.

To: Rambi who wrote (1348)	3/5/2002 6:37:50 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

A thousand thanks, Rambi. Poet@tranquilized.org

To: Rambi who wrote (1348)	3/5/2002 6:41:14 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Thanks, Rambi. Expectedly, this topic touches off much heat... I don't have time to do it justice at the moment, but I think Jewel's point is valid about the study you cite.. Most if not all of the priests that are being accused are gay (so far). That brings homosexuality into it. The Gay movement is stuck with some pretty repulsive stuff, such as NAMBLA (not very loudly disavowed by gays in general). Moreover, I have seen stuff from the Journal of Homosexuality (respectable? I guess it depends) talking about re-defining child molestation on the basis of how the child feels about it, lowering the age of consent for sex, and similar. As long as these kinds of things keep coming out, and now that we have a spotlight shining on priests and boys, you have to expect that this kind debate isn't going away. JC

To: Rambi who wrote (1348)	3/7/2002 3:36:39 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Rambi, on heterosexual and homosexual pedophile statistics.... Thanks for posting that report. This topic is rapidly aging, but here is another take on the statistics: Gay advocates correctly state that most child molesters are heterosexual males. But this is a misleading statement. In proportion to their numbers (about 1 out of 36 men), homosexual males are more likely to engage in sex with minors: in fact, they appear to be three times more likely than straight men to engage in adult-child sexual relations (8). And this does not take into account the cases of homosexual child abuse which are unreported. NARTH's Executive Director Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, for example, says that about one-third of his 400 adult homosexual clients said they had experienced some form of homosexual abuse before the age of consent, but only two of those cases had been reported. While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual (9). Further, since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles (10), it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males (11). narth.com Probably because stixs can be made (interpreted) to cut all ways, most of us form our beliefs on other bases, most especially our own life experiences. When I was a young teen, I was hit on by adult male homosexuals quite a number of times. It was a common experience among my friends, also, and we would banter and joke about it, in the "dirty old man" vein. Once, in a park, a spiffily dressed gentleman came on to me with the line, "You can be passive, you don't have to anything, it's something you should try, you'll really enjoy it." He was very polite, and not aggressive. When I was in the service, and still a teen, it would happen every so often, and by then I just accepted it as a part of life, annoying and repulsive to me, but no big deal. Other straight guys could get angry if not violent about it. I believe that if you asked any adult male about this, they would tell you much the same thing. I do have to admit, ahem, that I was a pretty good-looking lad. Maybe that had a little to do with it. I'm sure that pretty young females (including yourself, I'm certain) got more than used to being hit on by lechers from time to time. I never had the good fortune to be hit upon by a "Mrs. Robinson" (The Graduate) type; if I had, it might have changed my whole outlook <gg>. It would be nice if all our beliefs and attitudes were the product of scholarly scientific studies and statistical reports. But I'm afraid most of us develop them on the basis of what we have seen with our own eyes. JC