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To: Lane3 who wrote (2502)	3/13/2002 4:34:08 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

I think that the word "evil" has a religious spin to. Why didn't you continue the discussion in which you were encouraging the use of non-religio words like Treachery? "For most people, morality is derived from religion." I wish this were true but unfortunately for most people including religious people, morality is primarily a cultural embodiment. Religious people tend to associate doctrine with morality but I wouldn't say too many of them actually have a morality that is dirived from the religion. Religious people are no more or less prone to behave in a treacherous/evil manner than non-religious people, IMO.

To: Lane3 who wrote (2502)	3/15/2002 1:26:27 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

In many cases people's moral ideas are heavily influenced from their religious ideas, but the two are not the same thing. I don't think moral ideas derived from religious ideas have to be, or should be exluded from political discussions, presidential speaches, or secular government institutions. Of course Bush doesn't just talk about evil, or moral wrongs, he also mentions God a lot, but I think that is ok for a presidental speech when the president is a believer and the majority of the population has some form of religious faith. Also the specific issue at hand was his use of the term evil, he wasn't saying something like "God hates bin Laden", or "God says that Saddam Hussien must be removed from power". If he did talk like that I would join you in being uncomfortable about the speech. When you talk about evil, you aren't directly bringing God in to it, even if your ideas about evil are derived from your ideas about God. dictionary.com 1.Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant. 2.Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet. 3.Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens. 4.Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation. 5.Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.