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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (162059)	3/13/2002 4:28:30 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

bmw re: I'll probably get flamed for this, it is your opinion and I do not see why I would be "flaming" you for that :-)) re: mobile Hammer will be pushed out in favor of waiting for it to reach the 90nm node it is very possible but how long the delay would be? It seems that amd put a lot of "if market" on their roadmap so I guess it would also depend on market as well. Regards -Albert

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (162059)	3/13/2002 4:42:56 PM
From: dale_laroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

>I'll probably get flamed for this, but I predict that mobile Hammer will be pushed out in favor of waiting for it to reach the 90nm node. Hammer is probably going to be more of a power hog than even the Athlon, due to the integrated memory controller and faster clock frequencies, so it's questionable whether it could manage as a mobile chip at 130nm. Besides - I think that AMD is more concerned with getting Hammer into the workstation and server markets, where the micro-architectural enhancements will end up having a more pronounced effect.< You are probably right. If you look at AMD's roadmap, the 90nm mobile Clawhammer follows the 130nm mobile Clawhammer by only one quarter. I doubt if AMD would introduce a processor one quarter, just to supercede it the next quarter. Then again, I don't really expect to be to 90nm until Q2 2004, so if they anticipate the same, they just might introduce a 130nm mobile Clawhammer. And, of course, we should keep in mind that K7 was introduced in August 1999 and superceded by K75 at the end of November 1999. But, AMD has a lot more on their plate now than they did in 1999.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (162059)	3/13/2002 5:36:26 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: Hammer is probably going to be more of a power hog than even the Athlon, due to the integrated memory controller and faster clock frequencies Integrating the memory controller should save a couple of watts. You only have to drive lines from the CPU to the RAM, instead of driving lines from the CPU to the chipset and then from the chipset to the RAM.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (162059)	3/13/2002 6:53:49 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Wanna, Re: ...and faster clock frequencies... I'm guessing clock will increase less than many would imagine. Processing power per watt is becoming more important( as opposed to raw processing power ). And I expect that trend to continue. tgptndr