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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (22108)	3/24/2002 6:27:46 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

There are probably many Jews still living in Arab countries, but they are few. Hmmm... Len.. even you must realize the inplicit oxymoronic logic you're using there. There can't be both "many" and "few" Jews living in Arab countries.. So which is it? And please provide a bit of documentation. I doubt there would be any Arab country that would make a Jew, especially a Zionist Jew welcome. And why do you feel it's alright for Arabs to be racist and hate Jews, Zionist or other? What gives Arabs the right to act upon these feelings by declaring they will kill all Jews, or deny them their basic human rights?? And while the Israeli Arab community obviously aren't particularly priviledged within the Jewish, they certainly have rights that Jews living in Arab nations do not possess. Don't you find that even a bit ironic? And I believe that the facts indicate that few Jews living in Arab countries possessed the kind of wealth you claim to ascribe to them. Thus, it would be rather difficult for them to provide the primary financial support to the Zionist cause. Certainly not more than the Jewish community in Europe and the US provided. After all, why would oriental Jews offer money so that every kind of Jew EXCEPT those living in Arab populated land, could emigrate to Palestine?? Btw, what do the Golan Heights have to do with the Palestinian problem? They are nothing more than territory captured from Syria as a result of the 1967 war. Thus, that has nothing to do with peace between the Palestinians and Israelis. All Syria has to do is make peace with Israel and they will likely get the GH back, just as Egypt the had Sinai returned. Thus, the only obstacle to peace regarding the Golan Heights is on Syria's part. ..is not justification to allow it to disrespect the native populations, fleese the American taxpayer to defend it, or colonize the land in the name of religion, Bible stories, or ancient histories. And just what do you think the extremist Muslims are trying to do? When Muslims first conquered Palestine, they sought to colonize that land in the name of their religion, Islam, and their Koranic stories.. And they have been trying to do this since at least 1922 with the founding of the Moslem Brotherhood. And that's what Israel is fighting against... a form of Arab "Zionism", but one in which Jews are utterly unwelcome and deemed as justifiable targets for their military attacks. And Israel declaring their independence is no more an act of war than Britain giving 75% of the Trans-Jordan (east of the Jordan river) to a Hashemite Arab king, despite the fact that Palestinians made up 70% of the population. Every nation in the region is a contrived grouping of ethnicities consisting of artificially dictated borders and boundaries, created out of the remnants of the Ottoman empire. So don't fall prey to this dysfunctional argument about "rights of return" or the illegality of Israel's creation. Since the Ottoman Turks had ruled the entire region for hundreds of years, any semblance of prior nationalist entities had long since evaporated into the mists of time. The conquest of the Ottoman Empire initiated a major land grab by ALL PARTIES living in the region. Heck... the Saudis were a minor tribe in the region, but they managed to defeat the Hashemites and kicked them out of the peninsula. So the British gave Abdullah the territory that is now Jordan, as well as the Palestinian population living there.... That's what I call unjustifiable. At least the Jews purchased the majority of the land that later became Israel (minus that unoccupied/unallocated territory formerly controlled by the British under the Mandate authority). But there's no way the Arabs can claim that Israel declaring statehood was somehow "illegal", given the fact that their own legitimacy was "bestowed" upon them by the British and French. Hawk