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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (5047)	3/27/2002 11:58:56 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 21057

. And then, if we are punished, it should be for the overt action, and not for what is our head. Agreed - but, what of crimes such as 'conspiracy', or attempted murder, or indeed fraud? Don't these run on intent? There is to me something peculiarly obnoxious about violent crimes done because of the victim's colour, or race, or gender, or whatever, and I think the law is trying to reflect this especial nastiness. I suppose it comes because of the 'randomness' of the crime - it's not motiveless, precisely, but there's no motive against the victim as such - they are dehumanised. It's hard to put into words... hence, perhaps, the 'hate' classification. I don't truly like such being treated as special crimes, but I think that a 'hate-based' murder (etc.) is even nastier than a murder with genuine motive, because it's so impersonal.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (5047)	3/27/2002 2:56:02 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

We have every right to hate people. I have often said that. I think it is wonderful we have that right. But since we DO have that right, the right to hate, and even the right to talk about our hate and to share it with others, a bright and clear line in the sand needs to be drawn about acting on that hated. I happen to think many people do not totally understand that line, and hate crime laws, and the news surrounding hate crimes, helps people understand that there is a line between thought and action.