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To: JEB who wrote (42291)3/29/2002 3:17:03 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
It is not the Wahabi controlled Pakistan; it is Wahabi infested Pakistan but people who matter and call the shots are far more disciplined. House of Saud is the natural political extension of Abdul Wahhab militant Islam, the Muttawas rule supreme and house of Saud provides them with political legitimacy. A convenient arrangement for both, only freedom and more freedom can ensure some corrections, however this medieval society have existed for thousands of years it is only after 11th of Sept that many have realised that what goes behind within the peninsula can have far reaching implications on the future of the global events. Saud’s will protect the status quo that is how 5000 princely Sheikhs control the destiny of a huge nation geographically, financially and politically..

<(their vision + its nuclear capabilities)>

The parallels between Pakistan and Saudi cannot be drawn; marital art in its professional form is the bedrock on which Pakistan strategic response and actions are usually based. Unlike Arab nations like Iraq where Saddam a convict has become the Field Marshal and Supreme Commander of the Iraqi Armed forces or Libya where a Col over threw King Idris in Pakistan one institution has survived its glory and its myth, it is the largest conglomerate and very protective and regimented. The General officers are real ‘pukka’ sahibs, you may say that, least influenced by the Wahabi doctrine although under Zia every effort was made to Islamised the armed forces. What appeared after 10 years of efforts was the most liberal corp. of General officers all the way down to most of the GOC’s.. This institution has been cause that Pakistan never made it to a working democracy on one hand but if Pakistan survived 53 years it was basically for this institution as nation we need some strong guidance and strong leadership. As an artificial religiously created state carved from India weak like a federation of Yugoslavia its very survival has depended on a core institution although undoubtedly bureaucracy has played a great role to run the country the way it is run.

This is the institution that protect its small little nuclear capability and its small weak muscle are following which are deeply seated in history and in tradition, a nation with history and tradition in martial traditions rarely does the kind of things that happen in Middle East like a Colonel’s revolt or a Lt’s revolt, the discipline and the vision makes Pakistan far more stable than what it is made out to be. This is the reason contrary to conventional wisdom the coup against Musharraf never materialised and even our archenemies professed that the so-called little deterrent is in safe hands.

Let me take you to a brief history of our institutions, we are no mercenaries and we have honour and respect for human life, this is the history of our institutions, My father served with pride in 'Probyn Horse’. See following our Military history and you will realise that why republicans treat us with respect. Look at our military history we don’t give in to threats, we give in to love, we just love US and we are their oldest allies, we like them that is why we went for US. Read and know. We don't sell ourselves as prostitutes to highest bidder or give in to guns or intimidation. It is just our natural in built tendency to fight terror, like we have done since centuries, please note that and we are allies of US since 1949 we were not flirting with USSR and its socialism or communism...These traditions and background are honours and my dead father soul will be hurt if I don't highlight the distinctions with which he and our ancestors have served the world. Keepers of such proud traditions would not go out and burn the world they have saved from anarchy of the third Reich. To bastardise our tradition and our history with myopic evils of late last decade that of militancy is just utter short sighted, it only indicates that how shallow some minds are to make judgments that are not required.. Now tell me how many of the following battle honours you have ever heard and did you really know that thousands of Pakistani laid their lives for freedom of west…I am optimistic because I think it is our this tradition that would evolve not the dirty past decade one… Traditions within this institution are transferred and it is for this that I have full optimism those nuclear weapons will be protected and not utilised no Saudi or Arab has big enough courage to challenge us on that. Certain areas are out of discussions with even our sugar daddies. The wedge that we talk about can only come if US ditches Pakistan again and let it rot, that little investment of love and care that us has shown in last 6 months in my opinion has won US a great ally in shape of a Muslim Army that can act as Northern Alliance when need will come, now thin on this I don't wont to elaborate on this last sentence, it contains a lot of wisdom. Some Islamic nations in next few years will implode and US needs a lot of man power in that region to do their bidding no else but Pakistan fits the bill if need comes to that for example a revolt in a province of ….just think further….

PAKISTAN REGIMENTS & CORPS.

combined battle honours of 89th Punjabis, 90th Punjabis, 91st Punjabis (Light Infantry), 92nd Punjabis, and 93rd Burma Infantry, plus:] The Great War: Loos, France and Flanders 1915, Macedonia 1918, Helles, Krithia, Gallipoli 1915, Suez Canal, Egypt 1915, Megiddo, Sharon, Palestine 1918, Tigris 1916, Kut al Amara 1917, Baghdad, Khan Baghdadi, Mesopotamia 1915-18Afghanistan 1919Second World War: North Malaya, Jitra, Gurun, Malaya 1941-42, Trigno, Perano, Sangro, Villa Grande, Gustav Line, Monte Grande, Senio, Italy 1943-45, Donbaik, North Arakan, Shweli, Myitson, Kama, Burma 1942-45

Baluch Regiment ..In August 1947, the Baluch Regiment was allotted to Pakistan, the Dogra companies remaining in India and transferring to, among other regiments, The Indian Grenadiers.

The Frontier Force Regiment as it had now become since most of the infantry regiments had lost their numbers, was logically assigned to Pakistan. Pathans and Punjabi Mussalmans were retained whilst Dogras and Sikhs were routed to India.
The regular battalions on transfer of power were the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th.
BATTLE HONOURS
Pegu, Mooltan, Goojerat, Punjaub, Delhi 1857, Ali Masjid, Kabul 1879, Ahmed Khel, Kandahar 1880, Afghanistan 1878-80, Chitral, Malakand, Punjab Frontier, Tirah, Pekin 1900, Somaliland 1901-04.
Suez Canal, Egypt 1915, Megiddo, Sharon, Nablus, Palestine 1918, Aden, Tigris 1916, Kut-al-Amara 1917, Baghdad, Sharqat, Mesopotamia 1915-18,
NW Frontier, India 1914, 1915, 1916-17, Afghanistan 1919.
Gallabat, Tehamiyam Wells, Agordat, Barentu, Keren, Amba Alagi, Abyssinia 1940-41, Gazala, Bir Hacheim, El Adem, North Africa 1940-43, Landing in Sicily, Sicily 1943, Landing at Reggio, The Sangro, Mozzagrogna, Romagnoli. The Moro, Impossible Bridge, Cassino II, Pignataro, Advance to Florence. Campriano, Gothic Line, Coriano, The Senio, Santerno Crossing, Italy 1943-45, Athens, Greece 1944-45, North Malaya, Kota Bharu, Central Malaya, Kuantan, Machang, Singapore Island, Malaya 1941-42, Moulmein, Sittang 1942, 1945, Pegu 1942, 1945, Taukkyan, Shwegyin, North Arakan, Buthidaung, Maungdaw, Ngakyedauk Pass, Imphal, Tamu Road, Shenam Pass, Bishenpur, Kyaukmyaung Bridgehead, Arakan Beaches, Ramree, Taungup, Mandalay, Myinmu, Fort Dufferin, Kyaukse 1945, Meiktila, Nyaungu Bridgehead, Capture of Meiktila, Defence of Meiktila, The Irrawaddy, Rangoon Road, Pyawbwe, Toungoo, Burma 1942-45.

On transfer of power, the active battalions were the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th.

BATTLE HONOURS
Aden, Reshire, Bushire, Koosh-ab, Persia. Delhi 1857, Central India, Abyssinia, Kandahar 1880, Afghanistan 1878-80, Egypt 1882, Tel-el-Kebir, Burmah 1885-87, British East Africa 1896, British East Africa 1897-99, China 1900, Messiness 1914, Armentieres 1914, Ypres 1914-15, Gheluvelt, Festubert 1914, Givenchy 1914, Neuve Chapelle, St. Julien, France and Flanders 1914-15, Egypt 1915, Megiddo, Sharon, Palestine 1918, Aden, Kut-al-Amara 1917, Baghdad, Mesopotamia 1916-18, Persia 1915-18, NW Frontier, India 1917, Kilimanjaro, Behobeho, East Africa 1915-18, Afghanistan 1919.
Gallabat, Barentu, Massawa, The Cauldron, Ruweisat Ridge, El Alamein, North Africa 1940-43, Landing in Sicily, Sicily 1943, Castel Frentano, Orsogna, Arezzo, Monte Cedrone, Citta di Castello, Monte Calvo, Gothic Line, Plan di Castello, Croce, Gemmano Ridge, San Marino, San Paulo-Monte Spacata, Monte Cavallo, Cesena, Savio Bridgehead, Casa Bettini, Idice Bridgehead, Italy 1943-45, Athens, Greece 1944-45, North Malaya, Machang, Singapore Island, Malaya 1941-42, Kuzeik, North Arkan, Point 551, Maungdaw, Shwebo, Kyaukmyaung Bridgehead, Mandalay, Capture of Meiktila, Defence of Meiktila, The Irrawaddy, Pegu 1945, Sittang 1945, Burma 1942-45

1999
1947 President's Bodyguardformed from Muslim personnel withdrawn from Governor General's Bodyguard at independence and partition
1773 Governor's Troop of Moghals also known as Governor's Troop of Bodyguard; Troop of Horse Guards; Troop of Black Cavalry
1781 Governor General's Bodyguard
1859 Governor General's (or Viceroy's) Bodyguard
1947 President's Bodyguard

Probyn's Horse
(5th King Edward VII's Own Lancers)
1921 11th/12th Cavalryformed by amalgamation of 11th (King Edward's Own) Lancers (Probyn's Horse), and 12th Cavalry
1922 5th King Edward's Own Horse
1927 Probyn's Horse (5th King Edward's Own)
1937 Probyn's Horse (5th King Edward VII's Own)
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 5th Horse

6th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers (Watson's Horse)

1921 13th/16th Cavalryformed by amalgamation of 13th Duke of Connaught's Lancers (Watson's Horse), and 16th Cavalry
1922 6th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers
1927 6th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers (Watson's Horse)
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 6th Lancers
The Guides Cavalry (10th) (Queen Victoria's Own Frontier Force)

1922 10th Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Cavalry (Frontier Force)formed by reorganisation of the cavalry element of Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides (Frontier Force) (Lumsden's)
1927 The Guides Cavalry (10th Queen Victoria's Own Frontier Force)
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 The Guides Cavalry (Frontier Force)
Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (11th Frontier Force)

1921 21st/23rd Cavalry Cavalryformed by amalgamation of 21st Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (Frontier Force) (Daly's Horse), and 23rd Cavalry (Frontier Force)
1922 11th Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (Frontier Force)
1927 Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (11th Frontier Force)
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 11th Cavalry (Frontier Force)

13th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers
1923 13th Duke of Connaught's Own Bombay Lancersformed by amalgamation of 31st Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers, and 32nd Lancers
1927 13th Duke of Connaught's Own Lancers
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 13th Lancers

19th King George V's Own Lancers

1921 18th/19th Lancersformed by amalgamation of 18th King George's Own Lancers, and 19th Lancers (Fane's Horse)
1927 19th King George's Own Lancers
1937 19th King George V's Own Lancers
1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 19th Lancers

1922 8th Punjab Regimentformed by union of the 89th Punjabis [1st Bn], 90th Punjabis [2nd Bn], 91st Punjabis (Light Infantry) [3rd Bn], 92nd Punjabis [4th Bn], 93rd Burma Infantry [5th Bn], and the 2nd Bn, 89th Punjabis [10th Bn].

1947 allocated to Pakistan at partition and independence
1956 united with The Baluch Regiment, and The Bahawalpur Regiment, to form The Baluch Regiment.

1956 united with The Baluch Regiment, and The Bahawalpur Regiment, to form The Baluch Regiment.

8th Punjab Regiment, by John Gaylor (Defence Journal)

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1922 10th Baluch Regimentformed by union of the 124th Duchess of Connaught's Own Baluchistan Infantry [1st Bn], 126th Baluchistan Infantry [2nd Bn], 127th Queen Mary's Own Baluch Light Infantry [3rd Bn], 129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis [4th Bn], 130th King George's Own Baluchis (Jacob's Rifles) [5th Bn], and the 2nd Bn, 124th Duchess of Connaught's Own Baluchistan Infantry [10th Bn].
1945 The Baluch Regiment
1947 allocated to Pakistan
1956 united with 8th Punjab Regiment, and The Bahawalpur Regiment, to form The Baluch Regiment.