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To: cosmicforce who wrote (6560)	4/3/2002 2:13:56 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

I can certainly resonate to your general belief in a Cosmic Force, as well as your (very nicely put, BTW!) not being able to identify with a lot of what's in the Bible. I was born a Catholic, my mother became a Congregationalist when I was a child, and I grew up in a church that accepted doubt and uncertainty. I remember at thirteen, asking my minister if I had to believe that Christ was the one and only son of God or if I'd qualify as a Christian if I saw Him as symbolic and much of the Bible as parable. I know my church is one of the more liberal of the Christian sects -- we've been open and affirming toward gays for a long time. It is possible to be a Christian and hold a number of the tenets a little more loosely. OK, I've really gotta go. Lots of work to do. Enjoy the afternoon.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6560)	4/3/2002 2:33:37 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

See I believe in a living universe and that all quantum fluctuations are part of a process by which information moves around through the universe.... I don't know if that is anthropomorphizing or not, but I don't expect the "Cosmic Force" to have a gender and the rest of what you say is right on the money Cosmic...absolutely beautifully said . What greater "Truth" and cause started Man on his journey up from the distant past , than when he first discovered how to make fire ? For warmth and protection , and safety. For how many 1000's of years was man able to be simply content in being mystified and ready to just embrace the divinity of the Sun and worship his coming and going with each days passing ....or the winds , or the waters and other elements. And all those elements were already within him , operating right down into the atomic , operating on a molecular synthesis and repeated systematic organic schemes , that are also seen without all around in natural balances in sway & flux ...yet all driven by the energy of the Sun above . So later they discover the rudiments of psychology ..of dwelling to much on negative thoughts and self-poisoning reasoning and fear , create laws for interaction and maintaining an order that imposes some synchretism to that order of things that is ideal and perfect , observed in the calmest of seasons or birth of Spring...and peace in the tribe. and they call it religion , and that they have found God . What they have found may be called God , but it also can be found by the Aetheist just as deeply as well . It's called--->Being , Awe , Reason , and Wonder...natural order ...a poetry of life .. That's the wonderful paradox of life , there is enough mystery and wonder of it all to go around for everyone , whether they percieve a diety or not . One doesn't need angels or Jinns and great bearded fellows up in the Sky to see this , it is all around us anyways . ;-)

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6560)	4/3/2002 3:07:04 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

I thought of you this morning as I was sprawled here typing. I remember our discussion way back when about the loss of bird numbers and variety in my neighborhood. Well, imagine my surprise when a strange big bird landed in my magnolia tree. The tree is thick and my windows are dirty, so I didn't get the best look, but I'm guessing it was a juvenile hawk of some sort. It was too big and stocky to be anything else, although I couldn't spot a hook on its beak. He pretty quickly flew away to the building across the street. It was nice to see him. Pleasant change of pace from ravens.