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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (23659)	4/6/2002 12:45:08 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Warren pretty much summed up my impression of the European perspective.. Fear.. Maybe Jochen can give us some more depth on those feelings over there.. I certainly can't believe that Europeans are that ignorant of Arafat's complicity in destroying the peace process and laucnhing terrorist attacks against Israel (with other nations being next). Hawk

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (23659)	4/6/2002 1:23:02 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

prelude to something bigger?" Is the Bush Administration as strong as Warren thinks it is? I would love to think so, but I don't, yet.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (23659)	4/6/2002 12:22:05 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

It is likely that some hostility connected with the Mideast conflict could spill over the housing projects in France, but this is by far not the pressing problem France faces with their immigrant population. Their problem is really the high unemployment, high rates if illiteracy, and ensuing crime and general delinquency in these housing projects, coupled with lack of resources (police, schools) to do anything significant about it. It's been in "out of sight, out of mind" mode for a long time. There's plenty of time for the railway or other unions to go on strike and force the government to open their pockets, but about all you get regarding these slums is empty words. It cost bigtime $$$$ for New York City to clean up crime, if we hadn't been in a bull economy with AIDS eliminating a lot of drug addicts almost for free, it might not have happened, and the subways would still be disgusting dangerous places at any time of day. It will cost France a lot of resources also to deal with their problems with immigrants, mideast conflict or no. France has their own little problem with Corsica, though there are very few deaths caused by the various bombings, the odd police headquarters strafing at midnight, etc, and most of the deaths that have occurred have been one group of mafia targeting another. But that problem is far from settled, they have no lessons to give Israel on how she should deal with a far more grave problem.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (23659)	4/7/2002 12:53:42 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thank you, this was an excellent article... Incisive, Insightful, Informative... (triple 'I' rated? ;-)) I would also give it a WW, for Well Written. The "Among the Bourgeoisophobes" is also fascinating.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (23659)	4/7/2002 5:10:28 PM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

That the great majority of Arab and other Muslims came to Europe to escape the oppression of their own societies, and that they share in the dread of the Islamist agitators, should go without saying. They are the first to realize that the fire has begun, that it will take tremendous will now to douse it. And yet they are themselves easy to intimidate within their own ghettoized communities; and they watch their children carried away in the Islamist breeze. Oh Yes! This is also the source, if at all pursued sincerely, of tremendous opposition to the islamists.