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To: combjelly who wrote (163609)	4/6/2002 4:50:12 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Gartner to Dell buyers: Read the fine print By John G. Spooner Staff Writer, CNET News.com April 5, 2002, 3:50 PM PT When negotiating with Dell Computer, companies should look before they leap, according to research firm Gartner. In a research note issued earlier this week and seen by CNET News.com, Gartner warns corporate buyers who have not dealt with Dell before to avoid letting themselves get blinded by low pricing during negotiations. Dell, which went on a market-share blitz in 2001, has gained a number of new customers by using its lower prices as a way to win large contracts. But the report says that buyers who jump in with both feet may hit a rocky bottom of unforeseen circumstances. Dell, for instance, will offer special prices for a set number of specifically configured PCs. If customers discover that they need more memory in the machines, however, "the increased cost is typically substantially more than the special price quoted," according to Gartner. .....Dell seems comfortable with the report, even viewing it as a sort of primer for new customers, according to a Dell spokesman. "Our perspective on it is that anything that does a service for new customers or helps customers in general to be smarter about their relationship with Dell is a plus," said Dell's Dwayne Cox. Aside from costs that could arise as the result of reconfigurations, the Gartner report continues, customers who are lax in negotiations might later find that the PCs specified in the contract have been discontinued and replaced by similar yet more expensive models Lot's more at: news.com.com

To: combjelly who wrote (163609)	4/6/2002 5:11:33 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Combjelly, Re: "Intel tends to lay things out at a lower level than AMD does, the "individually hand-crafted transistor" approach as opposed to the "tinkertoy" approach. The benefit of doing that is they tend to have a smaller die, lower power and likely can squeeze more out of a given architecture on a particular process than AMD can. The downside, there is going to be more errata because it's harder to verify." I'll let one of the experts answer this with more certainty, but from looking at what you write here, it does not sound in the least bit correct to me. Are you really familiar with Intel's and AMD's CPU design approach, or did you perhaps speak without thinking (something that I do myself sometimes, so do not construe this question to mean that I am being confrontational with you)? wbmw

To: combjelly who wrote (163609)	4/6/2002 5:26:28 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

The benefit of doing that is they tend to have a smaller die, lower power and likely can squeeze more out of a given architecture on a particular process than AMD can. The downside, there is going to be more errata because it's harder to verify. I don't think so CJ. Intel has always used looser design rules and usually fewer metal layers, thus they get a larger die but better yields. (Or so I am told<G>) Additionally AMD has used local interconnect for their SRAMs and at least up to now they have had smaller SRAM cells. As for errata, I don't see how this could be a process thing. EP