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To: tekboy who wrote (23859)	4/8/2002 2:30:48 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

there's going to be some serious hatred lurking out there in years to come, and if that ever intersects with the availability of nuclear weapons, it could be bye-bye Tel Aviv. That's been true for 54 years already. The more this is a religious conflict, the less the realities of the border struggle have to do with the case. In fact, the hard-liners would answer Robert Wright that the cause for the huge upsurge in hatred is not the occupation per se, but the Oslo peace process, i.e., that Israeli peace offers made Israel seem weak and accomodating to the hard-liners on the Arab side, so instead of returning compromise for compromise, they just revived the idea of getting rid of Israel altogether. I tend to agree that the false hopes of the peace process have fanned outrage on both sides, and they coincided (perhaps it wasn't coincidence) with the Arab world's attempt to deflect all its problems onto Israel and the US. Israel would be in a far better position right now if it had just stayed hard-line. There's a very large segment of the Arab world that regarded Israel's willingness to negotiate over land as an admission of the basic unrighteousness of the Israel's existence.

To: tekboy who wrote (23859)	4/8/2002 5:21:02 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If these kinds of feelings metastasize on both sides--as currently seems likely--then there's going to be some serious hatred lurking out there in years to come, and if that ever intersects with the availability of nuclear weapons, it could be bye-bye Tel Aviv. It may be anyway. Yes? I keep thinking 9/11. If Israel is left to carry the freight alone, it seems very possible. Do you think partial victories, which don't destroy an enemy's desire to wage war, are worthwhile undertakings? Are they not phyric in the realest sense as they encourage the enemy in the correctness of his line? The editorialist at jpost.com may have chosen the wrong example but the Israelis do have to get to this: Shimon Peres still suggested the other day that most Palestinians do not condone terror. That can no longer be assumed. It has to be demonstrated, and that demonstration can only be convincing when Palestinians openly confront the terrorists who deprived them of the over-arching peace deal Israelis like this one offered them only 18 months ago. And right now, the Palestinians can't get there. The terrorists are too strong. They are 'executing' those who might confront them. This is in addition to the large numbers of palestinians who've caught the Perfectly Stupid Idea. The islamist force is now very clear in Palestine. These folk won't negotiate. What are the Israelis (or the US) supposed to do about that? I'm not sure the JP writer is at all wrong. I don't like it, but what I like don't count for much. frank@baddreams.id